Vince complaining about how there are no more wars got me thinking. You know why we don't have wars anymore? Well because domain wars have gotten stale and boring. I just wanted to throw out a few ideas. If something looks reasonable and/or simple to code in we could expand on it. Comments, slander, and spam are welcome....

-domain lords can send out their own towns army to attack another domain
-seige weapons such as catapolts can be built/brought to attack domains(?)
-seige bonuses/abilities(?)
-seige type items sold in stores
-mercenary helpers

discuss


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This would be a good idea the only thing is 90% of ffo is scared to fight there pathetic shells of there old glory....But yea i would be up for that even though with gaku being to busy and all dout anything could get coded and put into this game. Maby terulia

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None of that will ever be added to FFO because Gaku is focused on Terulia and FFO will only receive minor tweaks and alterations to the stats of what's already in it.

Also, domain warfare probably doesn't work because there aren't enough players left and all of the current ones are too afraid to go against each other. Here's a thought: Its just a game, so why don't you divide up into factions and fight your friends? There has to be enough of you left for that, but you're all too afraid to be on the side that might not be guaranteed to win, and then you make posts like this because you don't have anyone to beat around. Have you tried each other? Your most challenging opponents are probably your friends.

After all of the Shyron folk mostly quit before the last pwipe, my friends and I fought each other in skirmishes and battles everyday, and it never got old.

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Well i for one do fight my friends alot, examples would be fighting CH and grim, frank, enigma. But most no longer play... i use to fight haze and zenko from time to time but its not all that fun. Whats fun is not entirely liking some group of ppl and wanting to wipe the game with them.

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The other problem is that army units are so hugely overpowered that I could defend GsH against a full scale invasion with just 10 rangers, a mage, and myself. And by full scale I mean about 10 capped players.

Gaku help them if I have a WW to conceal me.

Example: Black running in and fearing our entire party while we were trying to take GsH cause Cea wasn't around anymore. And wiping us all without having to use p2.


So attacking a domain with a full army is damn near suicide. Especially with the fact that the units don't even die if they're too far outside the domain, so that players don't even need to actively defend the domain. Just hit the nearest healer if they get too close to town.

Example: Giant's Helm under Kumogs rule. No walls, almost all soldiers and 10 capped players never made a serious dent in the town. We only even got to the bank cause Dean went into the inn room and put on a HWM disguise. And that's been fixed (which I will admit needed to be changed).


The flip side being, if armies are nerfed, or returned to their previous state then people will return to the old tactics of just sitting outside and picking off your units safely behind a wall or an unreachable tank spot or just bringing 9 people to your domain while you and your friends are offline.

So domains have gone from being picked on while undefended, to being untouchable unless absolutely undefended.

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Ugh double posting AGAIN because I can't edit like I used to always do.

Locke wrote:

Here's a thought: Its just a game, so why don't you divide up into factions and fight your friends? There has to be enough of you left for that, but you're all too afraid to be on the side that might not be guaranteed to win, and then you make posts like this because you don't have anyone to beat around.

Well, I'm friends with them because I like having them on my side. No there aren't enough of my friends left to pair off into 2 big armies, and even so, this isn't a game of kickball where me and Vin just be team captains and pick everyone for our teams. This is a game about politics.

And lastly, see Zapno's post please.

While the Shyronites were capped out with great gear there was plenty of people willing to fight us. I can list a ton.

Like you said, they did lose a ton of the time, but they had at least the guts to come out to our domain. Their problem being on their best day they didn't train half as hard as we did everyday so it was really a non-factor.

Also, when they DID try that attack on the domain, a couple of us actually died, imagine that.

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even full armies are pointless against a group of 5-7 players now. see diadel

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Well, I'm friends with them because I like having them on my side. No there aren't enough of my friends left to pair off into 2 big armies, and even so, this isn't a game of kickball where me and Vin just be team captains and pick everyone for our teams. This is a game about politics.

I'm pretty sure the focus of FFO is pvp and politics just fall into line with that like they do with every game. Also, this worked for us before the last pwipe, so I don't see why it won't work for you. I'm sorry, if you're complaining about FFO being boring, why don't you stop preying on new players that don't have a clue, and help them out a little? At least in that situation, you'll have someone else to fight that might stick around longer if they don't perceive every older player as hostile to them.

And lastly, see Zapno's post please.

While the Shyronites were capped out with great gear there was plenty of people willing to fight us. I can list a ton.

Like you said, they did lose a ton of the time, but they had at least the guts to come out to our domain. Their problem being on their best day they didn't train half as hard as we did everyday so it was really a non-factor.

Also, when they DID try that attack on the domain, a couple of us actually died, imagine that.

My point is that they didn't win the war. Thank you for completely missing it. This is why I usually don't post. I specifically stated "won a war", and somehow you got "ever fought against someone else at all" as far as I can tell. How does that happen? My post was totally cut and dried.

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Locke wrote:

I'm pretty sure the focus of FFO is pvp and politics just fall into line with that like they do with every game. Also, this worked for us before the last pwipe, so I don't see why it won't work for you. I'm sorry, if you're complaining about FFO being boring, why don't you stop preying on new players that don't have a clue, and help them out a little?

Okay, firstly I'm SICK of people exaggerating and acting as if I spend my days ganking an unCC'd player that sets foot off of NB.

First! I do not prey on helpless new players. Most of the people I attack are people like Tyrael or Adrindo. Sure I've killed new-ish players before, but it's usually because they're in the party of a player I'm targeting, and I don't have time to sit there and try to work around them cause they're "new" and "helpless".

Secondly! I actually DO help people I've killed. Ekez and Akima can even attest to the one instance where I went and killed their party then took them training later. People are too busy raging, or whining, or just hide and whatnot that they don't WANT to accept my offers to train. I used to say "so hey wanna train?" but only Akima ever accepted my offer. Even on my RW after we jumped Ace we offered to let him join our WT party. He's comes back and just keeps attacking us trying to kill me cause he's pissed.

Thirdly! I don't discriminate who I attack. You say I prey on new players like it's the only players I ever killed. I've attacked GsH while Cea ruled it, me and vin fought cea and haze in argo, I've even fought against Gene in a few argo wars and Gene is one of my best friends on FFO that isn't a friend IRL.

So I'd appreciate it if you stop spreading this "Desh ganks nubs" propaganda. It's going from annoying to downright insulting!

My point is that they didn't win the war. Thank you for completely missing it. This is why I usually don't post. I specifically stated "won a war", and somehow you got "ever fought against someone else at all" as far as I can tell. How does that happen? My post was totally cut and dried.

Well to be honest they didn't really try all that hard. They just kinda sat back in their vorg shell, with the occasional swipe at us, or if we were training in the ruins make a run to gank our parties, which sometimes worked, sometimes didn't.

What I'm saying is, if all the people that we attacked and killed us, decided to mobilize and make a war against us, there's a decent chance we might have lost.

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Okay, firstly I'm SICK of people exaggerating and acting as if I spend my days ganking an unCC'd player that sets foot off of NB.

I didn't say that's all you do. I said that's one thing you do. Nowhere did I say that you're some monster that does nothing but that, I just pointed out that its part of the problem. This is a bigger problem from players like Vincent and Medea than you, but I've seen you do it too.

Well to be honest they didn't really try all that hard. They just kinda sat back in their vorg shell, with the occasional swipe at us, or if we were training in the ruins make a run to gank our parties, which sometimes worked, sometimes didn't.

What I'm saying is, if all the people that we attacked and killed us, decided to mobilize and make a war against us, there's a decent chance we might have lost.

My point is that all these players that think they're really great at the game have never actually been tested. My other point is that nobody has ever banded together and given it a serious go of fighting back, either.

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True, you didn't specifically say that it's all we do. But every time a topic like this comes up, all I ever hear is "stop ruining the game for newbies" from you and Lumino, and it's just getting under my skin.

And why should we have to split up and fight each other cause people that are actually as good as, or better, at the game than us and outnumber us don't wanna band together and go to war?

Really all the times we came to Vorg for the SOLE purpose of killing people we saw SHOULD have started a war. This is what Vin talks about when he says people are cowards.

Just think. If they'd banded together, they could have formed a strong group of players to fight against us, take in the newbies (the ones we oh-so-ruthlessly spam kill and ruin the game for Lumino) and teach them the ropes so they could defend their homes from the bad guys like Sinsie and myself.

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Ok last time i killed a new player for no reason was when i was outlawed in every domain. I did this to draw the stronger players to me so i could ambush them. I dont go around killing new ppl just because it was funny. Now that i own a domain i invite ppl in convince people not to attack in my domain or face harsh punishment. And i let anyone in u can even support that locke...i was all ok with letting u and deylin live there for all i care. Its a place i just wanted ppl to be able to feel safe in. Now outside the domain is different i might attack people im against...and until recently everyone was allowed in. Of course that changed when a group i was willing to harbor all thought it would be fun to destroy everything. Granted i see where ur coming from dont take it as "this is bullshit y would they do that" na im actually laughing and finally getting a smile about the game. Only question is......is this gonna be a war or a "lets attack the domain while the strong are not on". I guess time will tell.

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Hmmm, perhaps if impunity was done away with? That or being outlawed didn't go away with time, only if you were killed or amnestied. That might make people think twice before starting random shit for no reason.

I think it'd be nice if the only people who could be impune in a domain were the Lord and Chancellor. Make being outlawed something to fear, and people might lower their 'kill because I'm bored' factor.

Maybe, maybe not.

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Lumino wrote:

Hmmm, perhaps if impunity was done away with?

So what happens when your defending your domain and you accidentally splash a guard or army unit because they move WAY too fast to account for every single one while blasting enemies after your home?

Or when you start a turf fire and they sprint through it because it's the only path they have because the entrance of the domain gets cluttered easily.

That has nothing to do with understanding mechanics. What there needs to be is a way to check WHO is impuned in the domain.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

That has nothing to do with understanding mechanics. What there needs to be is a way to check WHO is impuned in the domain.

Not a bad idea that. I'm just not a fan of someone taking a domain and then passing impune out to their friends just for the hell of it. Yeah I know it's their choice, but I think it causes more problems then it solves.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

Lumino wrote:

Baram wrote:

That has nothing to do with understanding mechanics. What there needs to be is a way to check WHO is impuned in the domain.

Not a bad idea that. I'm just not a fan of someone taking a domain and then passing impune out to their friends just for the hell of it. Yeah I know it's their choice, but I think it causes more problems then it solves.

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