The role of an administrator is to attempt to keep the peace in the game, and make sure that everything runs alright. If some of you are dissatisfied with the current staff, take a second to read this and take a good moment to think about it please.

If a person is deemed fit to be an administrator, even if they are from the same group, they are fit to be an administrator. This is -not- a popularity contest, nobody gives a damn. This is a matter about being able to handle the responsibility of being both capable of ensuring that the game is run brilliantly or make it a flaming ball of... Well fire. Anyway, whoever you are associating with does not matter, when you stand as a GM you stand as a force of defense against FFO becoming deceased.

If an administrator, if anyone with granted power and responsibility, breaks that trust that everyone has placed in them and abuses their power obviously they are not fit for their role. We, the community as a whole, do hold power. If you suspect an admin of abusing their power, be a man and post some screenshots. Hell even a PM to a trusted one will work. But the fact is, if you fear corruption in your staff, take the time to see if your suspicions are worth noting.

If you have solid evidence, or even suspicion, let someone know. You do not have to live your FFO days in fear of your protectors.

On the note of abuse, let me turn this topic around to remind you all that there are still definitely massive bugs in the game which -anyone- can abuse to ruin everything. Just because someone is an admin doesn't mean they are any less dangerous than your average player.

If you are really worried about someone in power, heist up your balls in one hand and some win in the other and punch them in the figurative face. Basically, deal with them. You do not need to approach it openly, just deal with them. Post what you saw, post what your screenshot sees, post what you heard, and send it to someone you know will take a look into it and you trust.

TLDR; Get used to the admins you have, and if you come across any issues just report them?

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It has been proven in the past that the current admins let people get away with duping gold or abusing a bug to get gold.


Besides for Deshawn, but to Gale and Darlute.

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Actually shane was the only admin at the time

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Keep your eyes open, pay attention, and don't let them get away with it anymore then. Fight the power <3

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reply to Goddess:

Someone should have reported them - and if anyone of the current admin staff failed to do so, if true, they should have been dealt with.

I get what you guys are saying but the underlying factor here is there's someone -above- administrators. If you cannot find justice by reporting to other administrators, I'm sure if you reported it directly to Gaku he would take a serious look into it.

Though just reporting it to administrators should suffice. If you see no justice being taken, go up a notch. Sure, without solid evidence it is just here-say, but the thing is if enough different people report the same here-say it suddenly becomes a lot more possible to be the truth.

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MaoiYaoi wrote:

Actually shane was the only admin at the time

The people that are admins were still in that group who never reported the bug.

Which was going on for A LONG TIME. And at that point I clearly remember Darlute being an admin but he told me "he had no idea where all the gold was coming from".

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You guys failed to understand the reason why I allowed it to occur, it seems.

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Shane wrote:

You guys failed to understand the reason why I allowed it to occur, it seems.

Mayhaps you didn't explain it well enough?

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I understand why it was allowed to occur, and I disagree that it should have been allowed. But it is at this point irrelevant.

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Shane wrote:

You guys failed to understand the reason why I allowed it to occur, it seems.

Shane, I love you and all, you're totally a bro, but in my opinion I don't think there's any actual reason to allow admin abuse, if you're a player or an admin.

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Anyway I am -not- here to rehash the past crap, but to remind everyone that they too are able to defend FFO.

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Yes, I'm aware that they abused gold duping, and I hated it with a passion, however I don't think it should be faulted on gale or darlute when they weren't admins, the fault lies on shane for not putting a stop to it

Since then I don't recall gale or darlute abusing anything, but I'm not sure, closest to it was rells blatant gm abuse



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Nanie wrote:

Shane wrote:

You guys failed to understand the reason why I allowed it to occur, it seems.

Shane, I love you and all, you're totally a bro, but in my opinion I don't think there's any actual reason to allow admin abuse, if you're a player or an admin.

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Anyway I am -not- here to rehash the past crap, but to remind everyone that they too are able to defend FFO.

What exactly defines admin abuse?

Didn't you just say yourself very specifically that the admin's job is to keep the peace and make sure that everything runs 'all right'?

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Shane wrote:

Nanie wrote:

Shane wrote:

You guys failed to understand the reason why I allowed it to occur, it seems.

Shane, I love you and all, you're totally a bro, but in my opinion I don't think there's any actual reason to allow admin abuse, if you're a player or an admin.

EDIT:
Anyway I am -not- here to rehash the past crap, but to remind everyone that they too are able to defend FFO.

What exactly defines admin abuse?

Didn't you just say yourself very specifically that the admin's job is to keep the peace and make sure that everything runs 'all right'?

Letting folks vastly outweigh others in terms of power and funding is hardly making sure everything runs "all right".

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There was no duping in our group. As Gaku told people a long time ago, items with identical names are not necessarily identical.

For example, the multiple perfect wizard staffs we had were all at a different state of being damaged.

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It's abusive to let something that you know is happening and is wrong, to let it go.

There are also many other things an admin CAN do to abuse Shane, You're smart use your brain.


EDIT: Also Korin that's like saying its not ok for a group that works harder/plays more shouldn't have an advantage. If it was due to bug abuse however then yes it should not be permitted, however the way you have it stated is kind of silly.

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reply to Shane:

I supposed by that right, "admin abuse" can be defined in multiple ways. So therefore, I will give you my definition of admin abuse.

"Admin Abuse" is any point in time which, while you are admin, you betray the community - the other admins - and the very lifespan of the game you are supposed to be protecting by either introducing or allowing elements which are under your power to harm or otherwise tarnish the playability, equality, and overall lifespan of that which you are supposed to be defending.

I understand you aren't stupid, and I trust you personally had a good reason behind whatever your decisions were. Don't get me wrong, I am -not- bashing you, I get you pretty well. I am still saying though, that by my definition, not only were they abusing their administrator power, but you were too by not preventing something under your power from outbalancing the game.

Spawning duplicate items is quite clearly adding weight to one side that should not have it. It is shameful, disgraceful, and all who do it should learn why continuing to do so will kill FFO if you do not stop. -eyes narrow at some readers-

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I would also like to include that I am not accusing any of the people who are named here of any such crimes. I myself was not there, and all I know is this is what people are saying. I frankly, do not care, this was the past. The community, and the other administrators, can simply prevent this from happening by being epic and dealing with the problem. Your personal relationships do not matter when you don the mantle of Admin.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

There was no duping in our group. As Gaku told people a long time ago, items with identical names are not necessarily identical.

For example, the multiple perfect wizard staffs we had were all at a different state of being damaged.

I'm not talking about duping items, I'm not even talking about this hosting.

I'm talking about in background history they have history of abusing bugs without reporting them.

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reply to Korin on the Cob:

At the time that I allowed it, it was explicitly only recreational. There were also a variety of other factors that convinced me to allow it to be a thing.

When it started being an issue, I began enforcing punishment.

There are a lot of similar situations that could and have occurred where the only difference is that what I allowed is normally supposed to be outside the bounds of the code.

But then, really, if we admins tried to enforce what the code is attempting to do all the time, a lot of things would be different.

Sure, it might not have been the best choice, but the intentions and goals were always for keeping the peace and ensuring this opinionated definition of "all right".

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reply to Goddess:

So you haven't been walking around saying that you have screenshots of duped perfect wizard staffs?

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Shane wrote:

reply to Korin on the Cob:

At the time that I allowed it, it was explicitly only recreational. There were also a variety of other factors that convinced me to allow it to be a thing.

When it started being an issue, I began enforcing punishment.

There are a lot of similar situations that could and have occurred where the only difference is that what I allowed is normally supposed to be outside the bounds of the code.

But then, really, if we admins tried to enforce what the code is attempting to do all the time, a lot of things would be different.

Sure, it might not have been the best choice, but the intentions and goals were always for keeping the peace and ensuring this opinionated definition of "all right".

Define "explicitly recreational".

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