Each armor type has clear advantages and disadvantages for each class. If a mage wants to wear Heavy Armor, do they really need to be penalized more than the massive fizzle chance they'll have from doing so in addition to the agility reduction? Is it really necessary for a Black Mage to need 2x the armor prof to wear a piece of heavy armor?

My suggestion is to, as the title says, revisit the prof req penalties of each armor type for each class. I'd suggest lowering most of the modifiers to be no higher than ~1.3 or 1.4x at the most. Even that seems a bit high to me to be quite honest. 1.5x would mean that, to equip a silver bracelet, it would take 39 armor. That's pretty insane.

Perhaps each class could have a main armor type that has a 1.0x modifier and then every other armor type would be at 1.25x?

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I personally find its fine as it is

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Rarity wrote:

I personally find its fine as it is

I disagree.

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Rarity wrote:

I personally find its fine as it is

You find it fine as it is because you obviously don't go for armors not meant for your class. ie, WM or BM going for Heavy, Fighter going for Stealth.

There's already little customization in the current version of FFO. The most we REALLY have at the moment is being able to choose an alternative weapon type. And sometimes even that isn't feasible.

Here's an example of why it isn't even really viable AT ALL right now to use an alternative armor type if you're at more than a 1.25x modifier for that type..

If you're a WM and you have 27 armor, you could use a full set of Enchanter gear. If you wanted to use heavy armor, you would only be able to use Copper gear. You wouldn't even be able to use the overarmor. You would be missing out on a fairly massive defensive bonus by going for Copper over the Enchanter gear. Not only that, you would enjoy a massive fizzle rate.

The ONLY way it makes any sense at all to try out something like this is if you manage to get WAY past the highest armor level required for mage armor. You would need nearly 45 armor(if not that much) to be able to use a set of SILVER armor, which STILL doesn't offer as much defense outside of the shielding effect as the best mage armor offers.

All I'm asking for is the ability to try out some stuff that's not of the norm without having to spend an insane amount of time grinding armor exp to do so.

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You don't know me exo, I wore bronze on my BW, stealth on rws and masters, even used light on my ww occasionally, if it was good enough

I would find it stupid to let wws/bws be able to use adamant or black leather

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Rarity wrote:

You don't know me exo, I wore bronze on my BW, stealth on rws and masters, even used light on my ww occasionally, if it was good enough

I would find it stupid to let wws/bws be able to use adamant or black leather

Tell me why it would be stupid. Give me an analytical point of view on the matter and I will listen to you.

All I'm hearing from you is "no, this is stupid."

You wore bronze, but that doesn't mean it was more optimal than going mage. I can guarantee it wasn't, in fact.

Edit: Also, going stealth on a master isn't exactly out of the norm.

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Also this would cause problems in making mages stupid easy to wear all gear, my bw lvl 43 had over 50 armor without any trouble at all because it profss that stupid easy

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Rarity wrote:

Also this would cause problems in making mages stupid easy to wear all gear, my bw lvl 43 had over 50 armor without any trouble at all because it profss that stupid easy

Again, you aren't offering any explanation as to why it would cause problems. Even with lower modifiers, each armor still has clear disadvantages and advantages to using it on each class.

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I'm saying mages prof armor tons easier then all other classes(especially friggin ninja) so they would be able to equip anything at all with no effort really, which is an issue

Also, wearing full bronze is cheap and about as effective as let's say, warlock defence but with a block chance, and it doesn't affect fizzle that crazy, I've done it on my bw before, it really wasn't a problem

And to add on, shatter had done a full heavy rw effectively enough to carry an entire side

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Rarity wrote:

I'm saying mages prof armor tons easier then all other classes(especially friggin ninja) so they would be able to equip anything at all with no effort really, which is an issue

No they don't.

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Yes, they do, mages due to the fact they aren't supposed to get hit much prof armor at a much faster rate, ask relleth, by the time he had 25 armor I had 49 on my bw, if this update is put in bws will be able to wear adamant way before knights could, and bl way before ninjas could

This isn't a problem?

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Rarity wrote:

I'm saying mages prof armor tons easier then all other classes(especially friggin ninja) so they would be able to equip anything at all with no effort really, which is an issue

Also, wearing full bronze is cheap and about as effective as let's say, warlock defence but with a block chance, and it doesn't affect fizzle that crazy, I've done it on my bw before, it really wasn't a problem

And to add on, shatter had done a full heavy rw effectively enough to carry an entire side

RWs have low modifiers on everything.

And yes, Bronze is about as effective as Warlock. But you also need nearly double the armor req to wear full Bronze. It's far more effective to use a higher tier mage armor over using bronze armor.

Just because you've worn it before, does not mean that it is fine as it is.

Also mages do not prof armor easier than other classes. That's just plain wrong information. White Mages may prof faster than say a Black Belt indirectly because of cure aggro. But a WM proffing faster than a fighter? Yeah no.

The obvious exception there is RM because of the intended hybrid-like nature of the class, which also explains the low modifiers.

The fact remains that there are clear disadvantages to using anything other than mage on a mage class. The major one being a massive fizzle rate(yes, it is high).

Yes, they do, mages due to the fact they aren't supposed to get hit much prof armor at a much faster rate, ask relleth, by the time he had 25 armor I had 49 on my bw, if this update is put in bws will be able to wear adamant way before knights could, and bl way before ninjas could

This isn't a problem?

It isn't a problem. Their spells will be gimped if they go that route.

Balance. Learn it.

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Rarity wrote:

Yes, they do, mages due to the fact they aren't supposed to get hit much prof armor at a much faster rate, ask relleth, by the time he had 25 armor I had 49 on my bw, if this update is put in bws will be able to wear adamant way before knights could, and bl way before ninjas could

This isn't a problem?

The only way this would be even feasible is if you're getting cured constantly and fighting an infinite number of enemies.

BM/W armor prof is almost at 3, which means it levels really, really slowly, and you also get a penalty for them.

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You don't know the new system at all, bws have the fastest armor proffing in the game with this system, go play one then talk to me



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Rarity wrote:

You don't know the new system at all, bws have the fastest armor proffing in the game with this system, go play one then talk to me

I have been playing one.

I got a grand total of 2 armor profs for about 4 hours of play last night.

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Haste I see you're viewing this, please tell this guy how fast bw armor profs...

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Korin on the Cob wrote:

Rarity wrote:

You don't know the new system at all, bws have the fastest armor proffing in the game with this system, go play one then talk to me

I have been playing one.

I got a grand total of 2 armor profs for about 4 hours of play last night.

korin...i play a capped black wizard guess what my armor is higher than RELLETH and he tanks more than me and has been able to play more than me the new system made it so that black wizard have the FASTEST profing armor than ALL THE OTHER CLASSES

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Hey exophus, that sounds be like a personal problem.

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Anyone care to address the fact that there are advantages and disadvantages to using each armor type aside from prof penalties? Or are we just going to argue over how fast BWs can level armor?

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how fast bws prof armor is important to this topic because limiting modifers means bws will be able to wear full addy before knights, which is broken, who needs to cast on a bw when u can temper saber gk and tank while having status spells

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