So, my icon didn't go in because two people claimed that it was a recolor/change of clothes of Celes.

Here is Celes:

http://i.imgur.com/mDnys.png

and here is my icon:

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They look pretty different for me, maybe the icon checkers could take another look at it.

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Pink Celes has the same face, hair, breasts, magic casting pose, ready pose, etc. It's the same thing.

Yes, there are slight variations when you get down to the minute details. But no one is dumb enough to miss that it's the same fu flippin' sprite/icon, and if you truly aren't being an idiot about this, tiny changes do NOT differentiate it from being a recolor. Recolor isn't an exact meaning, it basically means "that's just so-and-so with green hair, giving him a top hat and mustache doesn't change that".

Sorry if that post is a little mean, but I am bewildered at the fact that you posted this topic in any serious manner. It's almost as if you believe the icon checkers are drooling morons, and that's more insulting than anything I have to say to you in this post.

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reply to Sinsie:

I checked everything you said, again, pixels don't match.

You little perv sinsie, looking at everyone's breasts.

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Sinsie wrote:

Pink Celes has the same face, hair, breasts, magic casting pose, ready pose, etc. It's the same thing.

Yes, there are slight variations when you get down to the minute details. But no one is dumb enough to miss that it's the same fu flippin' sprite/icon, and if you truly aren't being an idiot about this, tiny changes do NOT differentiate it from being a recolor. Recolor isn't an exact meaning, it basically means "that's just so-and-so with green hair, giving him a top hat and mustache doesn't change that".

Sorry if that post is a little mean, but I am bewildered at the fact that you posted this topic in any serious manner. It's almost as if you believe the icon checkers are drooling morons, and that's more insulting than anything I have to say to you in this post.

Almost every icon that has ever been submitted to the game are variations of the original Final Fantasy sprites or from a different SNES/whatever game. This is the same for overworlds.

Kyouge's icon currently is also just a variation of another icon. That one got put through. Also, SHATTER'S icon, who is almost an exact rip of an icon got submitted and voted yes.

I just sense bias and checkers who don't like a person(me) look for the slightest detail to not let the icons I submitted put through onto the game.

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Variations, yes. Recolors, no. There are plenty of icons that are much more than recolors, but that cannot be said of this icon.

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Hazedreamfreysaraboy wrote:

Variations, yes. Recolors, no. There are plenty of icons that are much more than recolors, but that cannot be said of this icon.

This is a variation.


All Kyouge's icon is is a recolor with a scarf put on.


Shatter's is basically a direct rip.

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Do any of you even know what a recolor is? It's basically recoloring each pixel to something different without changing -anything-.

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This is simply one reason why the base icon recoloring system I proposed is superior.

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The top is a variation. You can still tell exactly where the icon came from, but it's just different. Added on alpha-layer skirt thing. Trimmed hair, hat moved back a few pixels. Show of stomach.

The bottom is a recolor.


So now I ask, how is the icon I made a recolor? It definitely seems like it should be acceptable to me.


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ChocoBabyCarrot wrote:

The top is a variation. You can still tell exactly where the icon came from, but it's just different. Added on alpha-layer skirt thing. Trimmed hair, hat moved back a few pixels. Show of stomach.

The bottom is a recolor.


So now I ask, how is the icon I made a recolor? It definitely seems like it should be acceptable to me.

To be honest, Kati and Myren's icons look nothing alike. The only similarity is obviously the hat and tail, but other than that they look completely different. The difference between Bob's icon and Celes is so ridiculously tiny. Tell me, since you're using that picture as example, do you honestly think the two look alike, aside from hat and tail? Literally everything is different between the two, and the only similarity (if you REALLY get nitpicky) is the legs.

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Since Bob linked us to an image of Celes that is missing one state mysteriously, the state that pretty much got this icon labeled as a recolor, here is a better link. Look at his sleep state then look at this http://tsgk.captainn.net/?p=showgame&t=sy&sy=8&ga=281&sec=41
Then there was the whole missing victory state issue.

So in the rules it said you cannot just recolor a sprite and call it yours, but here you are with Celes sleep state as a death state. Hur hee doo and you dont have a victory state. Even if your icon was magnificently original, your still not getting your icon through without a victory state.

Furthermore, we gave clean cut instructions on how to fix your icon. Which was fix the hair, new death state, and a victory state. Since you are whining about how oh my god it differs enough look what I did in 1 minute.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/katihunter2007/pic.png

This in fact took longer to upload than to icon. Gee you could have had your icon fixed by now, but instead you want to whine and well lets face harass the icon checkers. Better go check the rules real quick on harassment before you post again.

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Before you start claiming harassment, I think you better figure out what harassment actually is.

In this thread all I see is the pursuit of understanding why an I con was rejected/clarification of the rules. I don't see any harassment here.

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Hazedreamfreysaraboy wrote:

ChocoBabyCarrot wrote:

The top is a variation. You can still tell exactly where the icon came from, but it's just different. Added on alpha-layer skirt thing. Trimmed hair, hat moved back a few pixels. Show of stomach.

The bottom is a recolor.


So now I ask, how is the icon I made a recolor? It definitely seems like it should be acceptable to me.

To be honest, Kati and Myren's icons look nothing alike. The only similarity is obviously the hat and tail, but other than that they look completely different. The difference between Bob's icon and Celes is so ridiculously tiny. Tell me, since you're using that picture as example, do you honestly think the two look alike, aside from hat and tail? Literally everything is different between the two, and the only similarity (if you REALLY get nitpicky) is the legs.

They have the exact same shape, give or take a few pixels.


@Kati: He wants long hair. Oh and by the way, Kikuri told me all I needed to change was the hair.


@Claiming of Harassment: I am in no way calling the icon checkers stupid, or degrading anyone. I am simply trying to make a point as to how my icon is different. Just because I don't agree with what the icon checkers said, that doesn't mean I am harrassing you.

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So you went to Kiki about your icon already and she told you how she wanted it fixed. However, instead of fixing the icon, you instead come on the forums and complain about your icon. Getting people of ffo dragged into this so you have your friends to back you up. I'm sorry but I consider you coming on here to stir the pot for the icon checkers indeed harassment. There was no need for you to come on here and start this, and yet you did. And if it were to simply to inquire, then there is the lovely pm system you could have used. So this is not a valid excuse.

Also since you want long hair once again, look what I did in one minute.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/katihunter2007/pic2.png

You have now been told twice apparently how to fix this icon. Go do it and stop wasting your time trying to debate your icon in.

Oh and for the record for any icon to be uploaded it will take 3/4 majority vote. And I can tell you now at least two icon checkers want that death state changed.

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I don't use the PM system for anyone except Kumog. That is however a personal preference towards myself and that doesn't mean you should be reprimanded for it.

This was not harrassment, this was me trying to prove a point.

Icons in the past(including yours) were just recolors with minor edits to it. In the Icon Checking Archive I made a post about Toxi who was pretty much a basic recolor with a few pixels removed/moved but it was added in again after I had removed it for being a recolor.

What are you going to do about Shatter's and Kyouge's icon, then?

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That's the thing, this was in past hostings. We now have new rules in place, there for certain icons do not get accepted. Just because the icon was in a previous hosting does not guarantee it will be accepted in this hosting. As for Kyo's icon I'm assuming that you are talking about the Celes recolor with the hat, ya that would not be accepted. If you mean the one that he has in now, his Roy icon, that was initially rejected and he fixed it. Why dont you follow his actions? I have also given you a good examples on how to fix the hair, this is more help than anyone this hosting has received.

Also if I do not see any steps from you to fix your icon, I will fill no need to make any steps in changing my decision. I have a good feeling other icon checkers will agree.

This is how it stands, either you fix your icon, or your icon does not get in.

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this whole thread could have easily been a one two punch. Instead I've got people arguing with an icon checker, masking another thread (no surprise there nya nya! let's be honest guys is this really about the icon getting rejected~~~) In short This whole topic only needed two posts, the origin (bob) then the answer (icon checker) cept the answer was given via msn or other form of communication therefore making this topic completely useless.

Is it really that hard to tell a checker "ok thanks for the help I'll fix it right up" On the harassment thing, if a checker feels harassed it's harassment. For future reference if a checker tells you what to fix. ****ING FIX IT, you are not a checker, Kikuri, Cea, Kati, and Starfie are. They know what they are doing, do not argue with them.

This topic guys....two posts all it needed...just two posts...why do we have a page x.x. I would hope this doesn't happen again and that I don't get any more reports about you guys harassing icon checkers. That's a warning

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Who are you again?

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Darlute wrote:

this whole thread could have easily been a one two punch. Instead I've got people arguing with an icon checker, masking another thread (no surprise there nya nya! let's be honest guys is this really about the icon getting rejected~~~) In short This whole topic only needed two posts, the origin (bob) then the answer (icon checker) cept the answer was given via msn or other form of communication therefore making this topic completely useless.

Is it really that hard to tell a checker "ok thanks for the help I'll fix it right up" On the harassment thing, if a checker feels harassed it's harassment. For future reference if a checker tells you what to fix. ****ING FIX IT, you are not a checker, Kikuri, Cea, Kati, and Starfie are. They know what they are doing, do not argue with them.

This topic guys....two posts all it needed...just two posts...why do we have a page x.x. I would hope this doesn't happen again and that I don't get any more reports about you guys harassing icon checkers. That's a warning

Awwww your firecrotch came in and cried to you. This isn't harrassment QQ more.

Also who are you again?

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I'm the guy you guys pray to every night now kneel

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Get the icon fixed.
Icon Checkers are appointed their status for good reason; they know more about what icons are acceptable and what icons aren't than most likely all of us.

On a side note, I like the icon a lot Bob.

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HARRASSMENT: Harassment covers a wide range of offensive behaviour. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset. In the legal sense, it is behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

Nolynn:

Awwww your firecrotch came in and cried to you. This isn't harrassment QQ more.

But that is.

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