ace and shatter both have been banned fr spam killing tiplet, however this is not the case

here's the story

ace and shatter were ****ing around argo, tyr comes walkin on by and they kill him, tiplet comes to get the chest, ace kills him twice in argo, tyr comes back and dies again, tiplet comes again/dies, then tyr comes back and while killing tyr tiplet cures tyr, so ACE kills tiplet, both being banned for spamkilling

there is 2 problems here

1: tiplet cured, which is like lifing someone
2: shatter didnt get the kill, therefor shatter didnt spamkill, and even if they did get tyr afterwards, it was only 3 pks

both bans need to be lifted, the ban holds no merit

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reply to Po:

no one told to they get that risk, too bad nigas.

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reply to Omaruda:

you CANT be serious, their actions arent banworthy, so this ban shouldn't be there, so it needs addressing

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reply to Po:

tip dont attacked shatter or ace, just cured HIS FRIEND. then he did not with shatter or ace.

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Smith you don't know what you are talking about. Read the rules or stay out of these posts.

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reply to Tea:

im just saying my opinion, idc if you think its correct or no.


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Omaruda wrote:

reply to Po:

tip dont attacked shatter or ace, just cured HIS FRIEND. then he did not with shatter or ace.

If you read the rules you'd see that it doesn't matter if you don't attack, and that healing etc someone who is hostile will count as a hostile action. In this case, opinion does not matter at all. Say something constructive or don't bother posting anymore, for everyone's sake.

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Yeah, i guess killing someone for curing/lifing your enemy who you killed isn't hostile. Although they will likely come back to bite you in the ass. It's rules like these that kept people like hydrocrush around haha. The old rules were better bring them back.

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reply to Pkftw:

actually it IS this way, if someone cures an enemy of yours during a fight, they commited a hostile action and can be killed, regardless of previous deaths

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just a little side note last time i was banned it was twice as long as iwa and reap. Kinda ridiculous spam killing is spam killing imo, but if the person has other outs it shouldn't be spam killing. I mean, they could have done atleast four other things that didn't involve running out of argo to us.

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One thing that should have been done (and always SHOULD be done) is have a ban report posted on the forum so that people know why someone is banned, and they actually know what it is they did wrong, so they can properly defend themselves or at LEAST learn from their mistake.

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Yeah I don't like ever read the forums unless i'm linked to it by someone I know. I also quit playing for like two months, up until around two weeks ago.

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When Tyr came back, was he attacking? If not he technically wasn't hostile and neither was Tiplet, so really this is kind of a gray area. I don't think it's covered in the rules but if you attack someone that is "able to be killed" (hasn't had 3 deaths) and someone else cures that person and has been killed 3 times, and you kill the person a 4th time, it should't be banworthy.

If you cure a person that is being targeted but isn't hostile, it's definitely a hostile action. We don't see people that have died 3 times going around curing their enemies mobs, do we?

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fap fap fap fap fap fap fap ffo fap fap fap fap fap NO I WAS BANNED FROM MY FAVORITE GAME *** ******-****** ******** ******** ***********************----

As ironic as it is, people that don't resort to ruining other people's FFO experiences generally get banned on a lot less regular basis for spam-killing. Really strange, huh guys? The admins are supposed to be completely impartial and unfair!

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tyr had been attacking both times prior, they didnt take a chance and proceeded to attack

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Yeah Tyr only died two times prior, and then tiplet prayed for him. He then ran back out south knowing we were there basically asking to die, and as shatter and i nearly had him dead tiplet cured him.

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reply to Haze:

A white wizard trying to Life his friends can still be targeted as it is still helping the enemy to some people. If you try to Life dead people take notice that you are putting yourself at risk of being killed for it and it counts as an aggressive act towards enemies.

That's the section of the rule in question, or primarily if Curing enemies counts as Lifing them. However, the thing that makes this hard to judge is:

However, killing a non-aggressive target (one who has not struck first)

If Tyrael did not strike first, then it shows to be a non-aggressive target. We have no specific rule on whether or not another person going out of their way to cure a non-agressive (specifically, one on the same "team") counts as aggression.

tyr had been attacking both times prior, they didnt take a chance and proceeded to attack

1) Self-defense does not count as aggression.
2) So does this mean you attacked Tyrael first the third time?

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The problem is that the healer in question was healing someone that was being attacked. If this isn't an act of aggression then technically one can grief other players infinitely (or at least until the timer is gone) by healing mobs/players that the enemy team is targeting. Which one is the lesser evil? edit: Obviously it can't be proven since their isn't a video of Tyr going into battle mode or showing any aggression so it really is sort of a moot point.

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tyr had only died 3 times, so it was on the border, however tiplet died 3 times, then cured a target under attack, and im sure tyr had come south of argo with the intent to attack or troll ace/shatter, and with how tyr is im pretty sure he was coming in-screen to see where they were before leaving screen and coming back to charge

it was an act of self-defence in killing him

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The lesser evil would be having a player-base that didn't have to resort to killing people as many times as possible without getting killed.

Also, I pointed out that it sorely changes things if Tyrael did not attack first, because that makes him a non-aggressive player. Mobs are clearly aggressive, and anyone that attacks first is clearly aggressive.

If Tyrael did attack first and Tiplet cured Tyrael, then yeah, it's aggression, and the ban should be lifted.

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