"Yes dean IS being a super shitbrick troll right now and I do want to ban him, gaku already told me that he didn't like what dean was doing and greenlighted me to ban him, but I wont because he's in development and I don't want to slow work on Terulia".


Boy that's going to get you far considering its something I told Gaku before any of you guys.

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Locke wrote:

"Yes dean IS being a super shitbrick troll right now and I do want to ban him, gaku already told me that he didn't like what dean was doing and greenlighted me to ban him, but I wont because he's in development and I don't want to slow work on Terulia".


Boy that's going to get you far considering its something I told Gaku before any of you guys.

To be fair, Locke, that's the most questionable decision you've ever made: Letting Dean get away without a ban.

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Just because I got permission didn't actually mean he'd done enough to get banned. I've been waiting for Dean to slip up for awhile, but hes been really clean lately.

All that chat with Gaku meant was that I knew I could ban Dean if I needed to, regardless of his development status.

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Locke wrote:

Just because I got permission didn't actually mean he'd done enough to get banned. I've been waiting for Dean to slip up for awhile, but hes been really clean lately.

All that chat with Gaku meant was that I knew I could ban Dean if I needed to, regardless of his development status.

I was under the impression that LP was referring to the balls incident.

And I know I was.

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I think it'd be a bit unrealistic that he got away with that through two administrations before mine and I suddenly banned him for it, so I figured it would be fair to give him a chance.

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Garr wrote:

Locke wrote:

Just because I got permission didn't actually mean he'd done enough to get banned. I've been waiting for Dean to slip up for awhile, but hes been really clean lately.

All that chat with Gaku meant was that I knew I could ban Dean if I needed to, regardless of his development status.

I was under the impression that LP was referring to the balls incident.

And I know I was.

Sup Garr, don't let rokku mislead you on this one. The conversation was pmuch "dean's being an ass and I ttly would ban him and would have already but it would slow terulia development" then after quite some time of stewing it over it was "well okay since hes being an ass and all if he slips up one more time ima just say fuck it and go4ban".

Obviously these are not exact quotes.

None of this is a movement on my part to try and get dean thrown out either, he slacked off all the crap he was doing and even as someone he manages to annoy the living piss out of at times I can admit he's not always gotten an unbiased review.

I'm just using the illustration to again illuminate locke's pattern of downplaying our outright lying about his own flaws and mistakes and inconsistencies. This along with how he's been playing up or outright fabricating the flaws and mistakes of others is really in poor form.

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This is pretty much the worst example you guys could bring up. How many times have I asked for someone to step up? How many times have I said "if you want Dean gone, find me a replacement"? How many times have you guys said "No Gaku won't listen to us blah blah blah" without even trying?

Hes the best person for the job right now, and as long as Terulia development continues steadily, I sure as hell am not going to ban him for anything in the past. If he does something now, yes, but like I said, Dean's been clean for awhile.

If you guys want Dean gone so bad, why don't you step up and do something for the game besides make power grabs for admin?

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Locke wrote:

This is pretty much the worst example you guys could bring up. How many times have I asked for someone to step up? How many times have I said "if you want Dean gone, find me a replacement"? How many times have you guys said "No Gaku won't listen to us blah blah blah" without even trying?

Hes the best person for the job right now, and as long as Terulia development continues steadily, I sure as hell am not going to ban him for anything in the past. If he does something now, yes, but like I said, Dean's been clean for awhile.

If you guys want Dean gone so bad, why don't you step up and do something for the game besides make power grabs for admin?

Honestly none of this is about Dean.... really Locke.....

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Your reasoning is pathetic. You just ignored the entire point of my post. I had a very good reason for not banning Dean, and that's because literally no one will step up to take his place. If hes so bad for the community, and you guys want to help FFO so much, I'll ask you again: Why aren't you trying to get into development?

You won't ever be admins. All you do is try to get admin. If you actually cared about the game, you might try a different avenue to helping. If you want to prove to Gaku you're not just power hungry, why don't you help him with Terulia?

Oh wait, because you don't give a shit about FFO/Terulia and you just want to get as much power as possible.

Duh

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Locke wrote:

Your reasoning is pathetic. You just ignored the entire point of my post. I had a very good reason for not banning Dean, and that's because literally no one will step up to take his place. If hes so bad for the community, and you guys want to help FFO so much, I'll ask you again: Why aren't you trying to get into development?

You won't ever be admins. All you do is try to get admin. If you actually cared about the game, you might try a different avenue to helping. If you want to prove to Gaku you're not just power hungry, why don't you help him with Terulia?

Oh wait, because you don't give a shit about FFO/Terulia and you just want to get as much power as possible.

Duh

What the heck man I don't care about the Dean crap at all... Like do you honestly see me posting on that issue? Like I don't see what you're getting at at all here. It's so rude of you to say that man. I don't lie about what I say. I don't give a shit about power. I've been against all the power admins have been getting everyone knows that.

Why are you being so offensive

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Why are you running away from the simple truth? You have nothing, absolutely nothing to help your situation. You refuse to put any real work into FFO or Terulia, and then you wonder why Gaku never makes you moderators and leaves me in play. This isn't rocket science. I try to help out any way I can. You guys just sit there and whine and carry on and make big posts about how special you are and how great you'd be as admins.

I'll say it one last time: Why don't you try to help with the game at all? You've ranted at me about how great you are at mapping, but I've never seen either of you make a big post about that.

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You mean do something for the game as far as development? I don't see how that would get rid of Dean...

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Locke wrote:

Why are you running away from the simple truth? You have nothing, absolutely nothing to help your situation. You refuse to put any real work into FFO or Terulia, and then you wonder why Gaku never makes you moderators and leaves me in play. This isn't rocket science. I try to help out any way I can. You guys just sit there and whine and carry on and make big posts about how special you are and how great you'd be as admins.

I'll say it one last time: Why don't you try to help with the game at all? You've ranted at me about how great you are at mapping, but I've never seen either of you make a big post about that.

Why would Sinsie make a post about mapping? He doesn't do that at all. Sinsie has no skills in mapping or developing so I don't see why he'd try to join dev.

As for me I even explained to you why I am not joining dev but that must have slipped your mind now.

Regardless, none of this matters at all. They are completely different issues. Joining development and helping Terulia has nothing to do with the situation in FFO right now. It has NOTHING to do with FFO.

Honestly I think you're just desperate now. I'm clearly not connecting the dots here.

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You're either playing dumb or you really have blinded yourself with your own ego. You guys claim you care about FFO, you claim you want to be admins to help out, but if that's the truth, why have you never tried to help in any other way? I said you. Last I checked, you and Sinsie are still seperate people. Its not even about Dean, this is about you outright refusing to try and help in any way except by making posts about how great FFO would be if you were an admin and how bad I am.

If you've given me the reason, why don't you post it to reiterate? I know you haven't given it a serious attempt. I know it hasn't been anywhere near the effort you've put into trying to get admin back. I know you don't even give a shit about the game.

If you're wondering why I'm still in power, its probably because I care. I try to improve the game. I try to help Gaku any way I can. Even if I don't fully understand something, I'll give it a shot anyway, just to see if theres a way I can help out.

I'm not desperate. I have no reason to be. I just think you guys are hopeless. Why would I need to be desperate? As I've said many times, my entire job here is to help Gaku, and I do that any way I can.

Also Desh, this conversation isn't about Dean, its about a couple of guys who can't seem to grasp the concept that they do absolutely nothing to show they care about the game aside from whine about the current admin(s) and say how great they'd be for the position.

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Everything I've done for the game can be seen in-game... You've even admitted to it man. All the work I've done to keep FFO active and alive. If I wasn't lazy I'd find the topic where you even admit it's been more active than ever (now that I'm in power).

And I always make it clear to you I care about the game and work to help it. That's why I was always fighting TSH and you know that.

Like I think right now you're just trying to play that super genius manipulative guy who's got it all planned and hopes to turn the community against me. Don't forget this topic started because the community is pissed at you, Locke.

I don't even get how you guys arguing about Dean turned into me allegedly not caring about the game...

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Everything I've done for the game can be seen in-game... You've even admitted to it man. All the work I've done to keep FFO active and alive. If I wasn't lazy I'd find the topic where you even admit it's been more active than ever (now that I'm in power).

And I always make it clear to you I care about the game and work to help it. That's why I was always fighting TSH and you know that.

Are you kidding me? That's all just personal power. I'll repeat what I said for you, so you don't have to go looking for it: The game is more stable now without the domains being destroyed every other day. You don't care about the game; you're just using something convenient to try and make yourself look better. If you really cared, you wouldn't own all the domains, because people you don't like literally have nowhere to go, dsay is worldsay, anyone who would like to play and get away from you can't, etc.

Like I think right now you're just trying to play that super genius manipulative guy who's got it all planned and hopes to turn the community against me. Don't forget this topic started because the community is pissed at you, Locke.

Sounds like your personality. It doesn't matter why this topic started. The community can be pissed, that doesn't make them right. You started this topic.


I don't even get how you guys arguing about Dean turned into me allegedly not caring about the game...

One thing led to another, and here we are. You haven't addressed my points yet because you literally can't. If you're half as good a player as you say you are, would make half as good an admin as you say, and are half as good at mapping as you say, theres no reason you shouldn't be in development or trying to get in it.

Gaku's never going to listen to you if you don't show him you care. You can't show him you care if the only things you supposedly do "for FFO" just put you in a better position and help FFO as a byproduct.

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Garr wrote:

Sinsie - Did not know they were developers, but knew the mechanic in question was actually a bug, electing to investigate.

What? I knew they were developers. That's the reason Locke didn't do anything about it. My point in that log was that Locke told us on Dsay that he wasn't going to do anything about it when he says everywhere else he'll do his job no matter what.

Then I tell him how he should've done his job. Go there, see if the stones are really behind the door, test the door that they're being accused of abusing. If I did all that and it turns out they were putting stones behind it to make an invincible door, I could've banned them for abusing the bug. That was the entire point.

I don't see how that's differing views. It's more like Locke overlooking certain people.

@Locke: Here's the main thing: all you're saying is your opinion. We're trying to prove our points and you keep saying a whole lot of nothing, because it just ends up not contributing at all to the topic. I really don't want to argue with you because I spent over an hour before trying to make little reasonable breakthroughs with you that ended with you thinking I was trying to play word-games when I was speaking directly the entire time.

It's not worth it.

Also I tried doing mapping before. It's Byond me.

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Then I tell him how he should've done his job. Go there, see if the stones are really behind the door, test the door that they're being accused of abusing. If I did all that and it turns out they were putting stones behind it to make an invincible door, I could've banned them for abusing the bug. That was the entire point.

I just have one question. If this is what you would have done, why didn't you say exactly this when it happened?

Oh right because you don't actually care. You're just trying to put yourself in a position of power. If this is really how you believed the situation should have been handled, and you really cared about FFO, you would have told me that then instead of now.

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Wow you can't move on from that "you don't care about FFO I do!!!" bull crap.

Is this your new campaign strategy... Yeesh it's no Obama Campaign, that's for sure...

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Locke wrote:

Then I tell him how he should've done his job. Go there, see if the stones are really behind the door, test the door that they're being accused of abusing. If I did all that and it turns out they were putting stones behind it to make an invincible door, I could've banned them for abusing the bug. That was the entire point.

I just have one question. If this is what you would have done, why didn't you say exactly this when it happened?

Oh right because you don't actually care. You're just trying to put yourself in a position of power. If this is really how you believed the situation should have been handled, and you really cared about FFO, you would have told me that then instead of now.

Here you go everyone. This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. You guys, please see the reason right here why we're trying to get Locke removed. I won't even add anything more to it, you all can see what I've been trying to say this entire time yourselves.

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