Killa wrote:

Grameramera wrote:

VURTEX OH MY GOD wrote:

I would just like to state that, People getting high over being good in a game... is over rated

Also Final Fantasy isn't Final Fantasy without experience, enough said

Apparently you've never played Final Fantasy 2. There isn't a single gameplay aspect within the series that is unique to "Final Fantasy".

That's why NO REVERT ;)

There's still gonna be a revert, which is a good thing. If you want to bring up final fantasy II, let's be clear and say that it did sell the least out of all the first 10 final fantasy's to be released. Also, let's not forget to mention that every final fantasy system since then has had some kind of experience system. Even 13 had a system where you kill mobs get points then spend them on trees to expand and upgrade your character.

Edit: The only reason it sold decently well is because it had an amazing story for its time. It included deaths of characters and romance just to name a few.

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Sacrededge wrote:

Killa wrote:

Grameramera wrote:

VURTEX OH MY GOD wrote:

I would just like to state that, People getting high over being good in a game... is over rated

Also Final Fantasy isn't Final Fantasy without experience, enough said

Apparently you've never played Final Fantasy 2. There isn't a single gameplay aspect within the series that is unique to "Final Fantasy".

That's why NO REVERT ;)

There's still gonna be a revert, which is a good thing. If you want to bring up final fantasy II, let's be clear and say that it did sell the least out of all the first 10 final fantasy's to be released. Also, let's not forget to mention that every final fantasy system since then has had some kind of experience system. Even 13 had a system where you kill mobs get points then spend them on trees to expand and upgrade your character.

You realize I never played a Final Fantasy game other than FFO right.. I found this game by accident ;o

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http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/07/26/final-fantasy-ii-review-3

Here's just one review ripping the leveling system in that game.

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Killa wrote:

Sacrededge wrote:

Killa wrote:

Grameramera wrote:

VURTEX OH MY GOD wrote:

I would just like to state that, People getting high over being good in a game... is over rated

Also Final Fantasy isn't Final Fantasy without experience, enough said

Apparently you've never played Final Fantasy 2. There isn't a single gameplay aspect within the series that is unique to "Final Fantasy".

That's why NO REVERT ;)

There's still gonna be a revert, which is a good thing. If you want to bring up final fantasy II, let's be clear and say that it did sell the least out of all the first 10 final fantasy's to be released. Also, let's not forget to mention that every final fantasy system since then has had some kind of experience system. Even 13 had a system where you kill mobs get points then spend them on trees to expand and upgrade your character.

You realize I never played a Final Fantasy game other than FFO right.. I found this game by accident ;o

The latter part was more directed toward gaku ;p


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Stop making a big ass box of quotes meng!

I spent so much time reading the last one it turned night & I didn't notice. So here I am in floor 5 tryna spawn a champ & all of a sudden Dark Dragon crits my ass for 1400.

Look WHAT YOU DO DENKO.

Also if revert is so 100% sure, gib your silver chuck xO!


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Killa wrote:

Stop making a big ass box of quotes meng!

I spent so much time reading the last one it turned night & I didn't notice. So here I am in floor 5 tryna spawn a champ & all of a sudden Dark Dragon crits my ass for 1400.

Look WHAT YOU DO DENKO.

Also if revert is so 100% sure, gib your silver chuck xO!

Quote for victory yo!

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GIB Chuck then ;) + if the dragon woulda killed me, you coulda had a victory.. but it's an omen! You lost!

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People should quit screaming over how the revert WILL happen.

Gaku has yet to state that yes, it will happen. He did say he will listen to the vote, yes, but that does not mean he will GO WITH the vote.

For instance, I can listen to someone *****ing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them or do what they ask.

Remember, this is Gaku's game, and thus his decision.

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Draven wrote:

People should quit screaming over how the revert WILL happen.

Gaku has yet to state that yes, it will happen. He did say he will listen to the vote, yes, but that does not mean he will GO WITH the vote.

For instance, I can listen to someone *****ing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them or do what they ask.

Remember, this is Gaku's game, and thus his decision.

You win.. for that & for this.

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Draven wrote:

People should quit screaming over how the revert WILL happen.

Gaku has yet to state that yes, it will happen. He did say he will listen to the vote, yes, but that does not mean he will GO WITH the vote.

For instance, I can listen to someone *****ing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them or do what they ask.

Remember, this is Gaku's game, and thus his decision.

What's the point of having a vote if you are not going to go through with it. The vote was purely to see who wanted a revert and whoever won is what would be done. So now your saying that its something that should be backed out of?

Game developers should always listen to the majority of their player base and what they want/suggest. If you have a bigger portion of your game saying something needs to be changed, that should be the first group you should listen to.

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No, I am saying that it is a clear way to let him know what the community is feeling.

However, it is not a big thing on saying what he MUST do.

If people on the forums made a vote on whether Sai should jump off a bridge, even if the results are unanimously yes, he does not have to jump off said bridge. That's his decision to make.

With how this community has acted lately, especially with how self-centered and rude it is, I honestly would not blame Gaku in the slightest if he decided to say "Thanks for letting me know your views but I don't give a flying crap at all, no revert."

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Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

People should quit screaming over how the revert WILL happen.

Gaku has yet to state that yes, it will happen. He did say he will listen to the vote, yes, but that does not mean he will GO WITH the vote.

For instance, I can listen to someone *****ing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them or do what they ask.

Remember, this is Gaku's game, and thus his decision.

What's the point of having a vote if you are not going to go through with it. The vote was purely to see who wanted a revert and whoever won is what would be done. So now your saying that its something that should be backed out of?

Game developers should always listen to the majority of their player base and what they want/suggest. If you have a bigger portion of your game saying something needs to be changed, that should be the first group you should listen to.

Actually, Gaku didn't even create the official topic. It was a vote to see what people thought, and not to definitively change anything. Not only that.. the "majority" won by 1 person.. and several people didn't vote.

Ironically the same side that "won" by 1 had a lot of votes from inactive players, which really don't count as a "player base".. therefore by your own logic Gaku should listen to side B.

/GANGNAM STYLE

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Draven wrote:

No, I am saying that it is a clear way to let him know what the community is feeling.

However, it is not a big thing on saying what he MUST do.

If people on the forums made a vote on whether Sai should jump off a bridge, even if the results are unanimously yes, he does not have to jump off said bridge. That's his decision to make.

With how this community has acted lately, especially with how self-centered and rude it is, I honestly would not blame Gaku in the slightest if he decided to say "Thanks for letting me know your views but I don't give a flying crap at all, no revert."

That would be a mistake. Your goal as a game developer should always be to attract the biggest crowd you can. You want people to enjoy and play your game for as long as possible. The point of taking a vote from a community like you said is to get what they are feeling, but your steps from there should be greatly influenced by what the majority of your player base wants. Of course, if you don't give a **** about your game and how well it does, you will just do what you please. In the end all that would do is push your dedicated players away. It's kind of like a bar, you want to create regulars, not just occasionals.

As far as the community goes, you know as well as I do kumog it has pretty much ALWAYS been like this. The only difference is instead of *****ing about it in game people are finally just coming out and *****ing about it openly. That's why it seems so much worse now than what it ever was.

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Killa wrote:

Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

People should quit screaming over how the revert WILL happen.

Gaku has yet to state that yes, it will happen. He did say he will listen to the vote, yes, but that does not mean he will GO WITH the vote.

For instance, I can listen to someone *****ing, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them or do what they ask.

Remember, this is Gaku's game, and thus his decision.

What's the point of having a vote if you are not going to go through with it. The vote was purely to see who wanted a revert and whoever won is what would be done. So now your saying that its something that should be backed out of?

Game developers should always listen to the majority of their player base and what they want/suggest. If you have a bigger portion of your game saying something needs to be changed, that should be the first group you should listen to.

Actually, Gaku didn't even create the official topic. It was a vote to see what people thought, and not to definitively change anything. Not only that.. the "majority" won by 1 person.. and several people didn't vote.

Ironically the same side that "won" by 1 had a lot of votes from inactive players, which really don't count as a "player base".. therefore by your own logic Gaku should listen to side B.

/GANGNAM STYLE

Well by others theory, just because you don't play the game doesn't mean your opinion doesn't matter right? I'll go ahead and use what I"ve seen a few of those people use in defense "I've played this game so much longer than you that my opinion should never be invalid."

Edit: While that does sound stupid, they do bring a up a good point. If they had played that game for 5 years for instance, what right does anyone have to say their opinion on the game doesn't matter seeing as how they spent so much time on it.

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Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

No, I am saying that it is a clear way to let him know what the community is feeling.

However, it is not a big thing on saying what he MUST do.

If people on the forums made a vote on whether Sai should jump off a bridge, even if the results are unanimously yes, he does not have to jump off said bridge. That's his decision to make.

With how this community has acted lately, especially with how self-centered and rude it is, I honestly would not blame Gaku in the slightest if he decided to say "Thanks for letting me know your views but I don't give a flying crap at all, no revert."

That would be a mistake. Your goal as a game developer should always be to attract the biggest crowd you can. You want people to enjoy and play your game for as long as possible. The point of taking a vote from a community like you said is to get what they are feeling, but your steps from there should be greatly influenced by what the majority of your player base wants. Of course, if you don't give a **** about your game and how well it does, you will just do what you please. In the end all that would do is push your dedicated players away. It's kind of like a bar, you want to create regulars, not just occasionals.

As far as the community goes, you know as well as I do kumog it has pretty much ALWAYS been like this. The only difference is instead of *****ing about it in game people are finally just coming out and *****ing about it openly. That's why it seems so much worse now than what it ever was.

The only reason you would want to maximize exposure is to increase revenue but if Gaku makes no money from FFO then his motives for keeping it up can be completely different than what you posted. Also Idk wtf you're saying in the other post cause that made no ****ing sense.

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Killa wrote:

Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

No, I am saying that it is a clear way to let him know what the community is feeling.

However, it is not a big thing on saying what he MUST do.

If people on the forums made a vote on whether Sai should jump off a bridge, even if the results are unanimously yes, he does not have to jump off said bridge. That's his decision to make.

With how this community has acted lately, especially with how self-centered and rude it is, I honestly would not blame Gaku in the slightest if he decided to say "Thanks for letting me know your views but I don't give a flying crap at all, no revert."

That would be a mistake. Your goal as a game developer should always be to attract the biggest crowd you can. You want people to enjoy and play your game for as long as possible. The point of taking a vote from a community like you said is to get what they are feeling, but your steps from there should be greatly influenced by what the majority of your player base wants. Of course, if you don't give a **** about your game and how well it does, you will just do what you please. In the end all that would do is push your dedicated players away. It's kind of like a bar, you want to create regulars, not just occasionals.

As far as the community goes, you know as well as I do kumog it has pretty much ALWAYS been like this. The only difference is instead of *****ing about it in game people are finally just coming out and *****ing about it openly. That's why it seems so much worse now than what it ever was.

The only reason you would want to maximize exposure is to increase revenue but if Gaku makes no money from FFO then his motives for keeping it up can be completely different than what you posted. Also Idk wtf you're saying in the other post cause that made no ****ing sense.

So if he's generating no revenue then what's the point of even having hostings and updates at all? If he is going to host it why not just stick with a majority of players want. Final fantasy 11 is a good example. After they made their new game "Final Fantasy XIV", they simply changed everything and made it easier according to how the player base wanted it. Why not just follow the same example? Hell, their population even out does the new games population at this point because of it.

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Sacrededge wrote:

Killa wrote:

Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

No, I am saying that it is a clear way to let him know what the community is feeling.

However, it is not a big thing on saying what he MUST do.

If people on the forums made a vote on whether Sai should jump off a bridge, even if the results are unanimously yes, he does not have to jump off said bridge. That's his decision to make.

With how this community has acted lately, especially with how self-centered and rude it is, I honestly would not blame Gaku in the slightest if he decided to say "Thanks for letting me know your views but I don't give a flying crap at all, no revert."

That would be a mistake. Your goal as a game developer should always be to attract the biggest crowd you can. You want people to enjoy and play your game for as long as possible. The point of taking a vote from a community like you said is to get what they are feeling, but your steps from there should be greatly influenced by what the majority of your player base wants. Of course, if you don't give a **** about your game and how well it does, you will just do what you please. In the end all that would do is push your dedicated players away. It's kind of like a bar, you want to create regulars, not just occasionals.

As far as the community goes, you know as well as I do kumog it has pretty much ALWAYS been like this. The only difference is instead of *****ing about it in game people are finally just coming out and *****ing about it openly. That's why it seems so much worse now than what it ever was.

The only reason you would want to maximize exposure is to increase revenue but if Gaku makes no money from FFO then his motives for keeping it up can be completely different than what you posted. Also Idk wtf you're saying in the other post cause that made no ****ing sense.

So if he's generating no revenue then what's the point of even having hostings and updates at all? If he is going to host it why not just stick with a majority of players want. Final fantasy 11 is a good example. After they made their new game "Final Fantasy XIV", they simply changed everything and made it easier according to how the player base wanted it. Why not just follow the same example? Hell, their population even out does the new games population at this point because of it.

The moment you said why not, you lost.

Why DO if he could just NOT. ;)

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reply to Killa:

But you missed the point of that entire sentence. Take it down and do what a majority of the players want.

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What I am saying is that you don't know his motives & I don't either. So he doesn't have to give a **** who wants what.

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Killa wrote:

Sacrededge wrote:

Draven wrote:

stuff

other stuff

The only reason you would want to maximize exposure is to increase revenue but if Gaku makes no money from FFO then his motives for keeping it up can be completely different than what you posted. Also Idk wtf you're saying in the other post cause that made no ****ing sense.

The fact that Gaku is willing to revert (which is something he has always been 100% against doing) and never update again just to get people to "stop bothering him about experience" is proof that he doesn't care about how it turns out as long as people leave him alone.

And from what I remember it was something more along the lines that he not only makes no money from FFO, he loses money to keep it hosted.

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