The database conversion is what's halted all development on Terulia. It changes all data storage from byond savefiles to MySQL, which will also allow for a split server among other things. It has nothing to do with FFO.

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I'm still in the boat that FFO being buried so that all progress can be put towards Terulia is the best course of action, due to the fact that having to code updates for a game that is unable to gather new players is pretty much a colossal waste of time.

Downgrading to 3.5 would result in people less willing to help with Terulia in the long run, and would result in rage when "THEIR" 3.5 game can't be played anymore due to Terulia finally being released and thus muscling 3.5 away from being hosted.

After all, look at how much this community is whining over everything lately. Can you imagine how much more they would complain to get to see 3.5 for a little bit, only to have it yanked away from them when Terulia is done?

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reply to Exophus:

You need to take a class in reading comprehension or something, because you're failing pretty hard at it right now.

***** please. That would have been a cute comment to piss me off if I actually struggled with reading. And clearly I need to continue to dumb down what I am speaking to you so it can bypass that thick skull of yours.

Your opinion doesn't matter because you want something that will never happen. You want an old version of FFO brought back when it is clear that the game is only moving forward. Your opinion on what the game should be is the complete opposite of what Gaku made the game into, therefore your opinion is irrelevant as ****.

This thread(or more specifically, my original post), which apparently has been branded my opinion on what should happen to the game IS relevant, because it deals with what the game is currently, and what could be done to make the game a lot more enjoyable and accessible without much effort on Gaku's part.

The same can easily be applied to your original post. As confirmed by Gaku's posting in the topic. So in turn this entire topic is irrelevant. You just happened to create it like the dumb ass that you are.

Where the **** did you go to school so I can register a complaint on their teaching of reading comprehension?

It does have to do with the game, but this whole "here" bull**** started with me saying you are HERE on the FORUMS *****ing about what Gaku wants. Then you started trying to spew some bull**** about "here" being the game. I honestly don't even know where the **** you're trying to go with this part of your argument, or any other part of it for that matter. It goes back to that whole reading comprehension failure of yours again.

First of all you need to learn how to better understand your own words in the context you place them. You were stating "blahblahblah this is Gaku's game why are you here, you can leave blah blah blah." And I replied to that in the context in which it was used. You sure you did well in English sir? I can't tell by the bull**** that you are typing.

And once again as they do in school with slow people like you they repeat themselves. But this time let me break it down for you nice and easy:

1. Plenty of players are "here" on the game and yet do not care for the development that the game has taken.

2. Just because one is "here" on the game/forums does not mean they fully support the changes the game has undergone in the past few months.

3. No one gives a damn about the game anymore and it has been like that for awhile so don't try to single me out because I am one of the few who is able to voice this for those who fall into that category.

Did you even READ the original post? This thread is about putting FFO back on the hub because of the need of new players in order to breathe new life into the community.

Did you read what I have been posting? There is a reason why the game has lost players and it is due to the new form of training. So what makes you think that placing the game back on the hub with the current version will change anything when old players of years stopped at once from playing the game when the updates came out? This is not even about 3.5 lets clarify that. This is about reverting the training system which is not that far of a version back.

I love how you keep saying I don't play the game when I've played it on and off for YEARS. The last time I played was just before the pwipe, so yeah, I know what the **** the game is like and there's nothing wrong with it. The only thing FFO really needs right now is a higher active population.

Seriously, how are you going to just assume someone doesn't play the game? Throughout the history of FFO people have made new characters without telling anyone about it, and I have done so on multiple occasions.

Wow, so what you played just before the player wipe. Obviously not enough if you SERIOUSLY think there is something fine with a game that is suppose to be party orientated, turning completely solo. And it's not even that fact that it's solo it's the fact of how people train. Drag a few mobs, run to guards and spam your spells/skills for profs. If you honestly think that is enjoyable when it's a repetitive routine than to have dynamic interaction with players, partying, etc then you just don't know much about a good online game now do you?

Now I am not saying that soloing is the only option players have. But with the new direction of the game there is seriously no reason TO party. Hell if I can train a WM to a level 20 WW with little to no partying, then the training system needs to totally be analyzed since it is just abusive and boring.

Also, I never made any assumptions towards you not playing the game. You gave us that piece of information yourself. Whether it's false or not it's something you presented.

I wouldn't mind playing again, but I have to admit the lack of players is a deterrent for me as well.

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Shane wrote:

Den Blossom and Exophus be gettin' at eachotha's throats kinda like so:

the **** is wrong with you Blossom?

I am not going to beat around the bush like some of you ****s who bite your tongue in favor of not offending another person

Okay both of you shut the **** up.

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reply to CL:

I'm only replying to one part of your post because honestly the rest is you throwing mindless insults at me for the most part. We won't get anywhere if I keep replying to that bull**** and it's honestly starting to tire me.

Wow, so what you played just before the player wipe. Obviously not enough if you SERIOUSLY think there is something fine with a game that is suppose to be party orientated, turning completely solo. And it's not even that fact that it's solo it's the fact of how people train. Drag a few mobs, run to guards and spam your spells/skills for profs. If you honestly think that is enjoyable when it's a repetitive routine than to have dynamic interaction with players, partying, etc then you just don't know much about a good online game now do you?

Your solution is to revert the entire leveling system back to what it was instead of continuing to balance it. If Gaku kept tweaking the current system, it would help Gaku in Terulia as well, because he will have a better idea about how to balance combat in there so partying isn't required to actually venture out into the world.

That being said, I agree that there is an issue with the way things currently work. I just think there is a far better solution to it than reverting the entire system back to what it was before.. which is to balance combat so that you can actually venture out by yourself and be able to handle it while going through the process of leveling.

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reply to Shane:

I can agree with what you are saying. My thing is.. Even when the game was popular there were a good amount of people who hated the PvP aspect of the game. And that came from a combination of elements:

1. Domain warefare
2. If your friend(s) was in a domain your domain did not like, chances are you were frowned upon with partying with that person.
3. Drama from in-game somehow would shift into drama over MSN and people turning PvP into serious hate for another individual.
4. The community sucks? Yes.

I for one love PvP it's just amazing to see what it has caused or just drama on the game in general. Hell it's plenty of moments in this game where I would just quit because of the fact that I felt like I was playing a damn soap opera rather than a FUN FINAL FANTASY game.

Last hosting two huge changes near simultaneously happened that can not accurately be traced as impacting the total player-base:

1) FFO was removed from the Hub via C&D Order from "S-E".
2) Experience was removed in favor of natural proffing via allowances.

I'm sorry but I would have to disagree if anyone thinks number two did not impact the population of the game. When number one took place, we still as a community retained our average amount of players on a daily basis. It's funny because when it comes to FFO, you do not see many new players being generated into the game unless they are recruits from people who already play the game. I'm sure many can admit this game has a difficult learning curve for a player who is new and does not always have help on knowing what to do. It's been plenty of times I invited people I know to this game only to have them turned off by the learning curve since they felt out of place and had a hard time learning how to exactly play.

So what I am saying is that even when the game was on the hub, sure we got new players. No doubt. But even then throughout the years when you login the game.. 80% of people are all familiar players who have not gone anywhere. So that is why I am disappointed with how Gaku has handled FFO since it was pretty much like "**** the players who have been players for years, I could careless if they do not like my ideas." That is not a smart decision to make when your game thrives off a community of familiarity.

I could careless if what I have said in the topic goes unread. This is not my game and I am not the owner. I am just a player I can come and go as I please since I have no form of commitment to the game. However, in Gaku's case, he's spent years and years on this game.. So for me it would just be sad to see Terulia **** it up. That is all I have been trying to say. So whatever decisions he makes for his game may it be the best. That is all I am going to say on this topic.

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OK, folks.

Cut the constant hostility toward one another. If I see any more cute little jabs at another player, the offender will recieve a nice break from TFS:Main.

There are ways to discuss your points without having to act like an abrasive jerk. I suggest using them.

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reply to Exophus:

Well I have suggested a system to how to balance the game out when this new system first came out.. And it received plenty of agreements as well as added on suggestions to the original concept. It would have been nice to see it in since I believe it is what Gaku was trying to do with Terulia anyhow but I am not sure anymore on what he will be doing with Terulia.

Anyway I rest my mouth. My thing is it just would be nice to have FFO back without the Terulia updates. No one is stopping Gaku from making Terulia it's just I feel that FFO was not the place for it.

It's just that I have been a longtime player on BYOND and it just sucks to see good games having to be removed from the hub, or just die out.. Etc. FFO was seriously the only game I never got tired of on BYOND.. Next to ones like Proelium, The Sky Is Falling, DragonBall Tournament Fighters 2, etc.. Oh well let me stop being selfish. Back to lurking.

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CL wrote:

Last hosting two huge changes near simultaneously happened that can not accurately be traced as impacting the total player-base:

1) FFO was removed from the Hub via C&D Order from "S-E".
2) Experience was removed in favor of natural proffing via allowances.

I'm sorry but I would have to disagree if anyone thinks number two did not impact the population of the game. When number one took place, we still as a community retained our average amount of players on a daily basis.

Cause & Effect isn't an instantaneous thing. The second issue - natural proffing - clearly did impact the population, it's just we have no way to tell how much, or if it was because of being in conjunction with the removal from the Hub, or what.

It's possible it wasn't even because of either of these issues. The FFO population was slowly over time becoming smaller and smaller, anyway. We used to think 50 people being online was on the low end of the spectrum. Now 20 people is a lot of activity. This goes back to your point of FFO being dead for a long time.

It's funny because when it comes to FFO, you do not see many new players being generated into the game unless they are recruits from people who already play the game. I'm sure many can admit this game has a difficult learning curve for a player who is new and does not always have help on knowing what to do.

But I can attest to having wandered to this game of my own accord, as well as many other people, a lot of them still player. Surely, it's not for everyone, but if it's public then there are people seeing it and some of them will enjoy the game. There was a fairly solid influx of new players up until recent hostings, though. Ever since the Level 20 hosting, we've got like, what, one new player since then who still plays? I think? Depending on when Cress started playing?

It's been plenty of times I invited people I know to this game only to have them turned off by the learning curve since they felt out of place and had a hard time learning how to exactly play.

(True for any game.)

So what I am saying is that even when the game was on the hub, sure we got new players. No doubt. But even then throughout the years when you login the game.. 80% of people are all familiar players who have not gone anywhere. So that is why I am disappointed with how Gaku has handled FFO since it was pretty much like "**** the players who have been players for years, I could careless if they do not like my ideas." That is not a smart decision to make when your game thrives off a community of familiarity.

When FFO first came up, the community didn't yet thrive off of familiarity. When any new game comes out, the community is generally new with each other.

If you agree that the community is so ****ty and constantly drives off new players, then why would you think that Gaku should make Terulia into something we want? Yeah, we've been with Gaku for years, but that doesn't mean something good. Because of the way Gaku's been bugged about FFO bull****, we actually consistently have rules against bugging Gaku about FFO bull****. It's even been there since almost when I first started playing.

I could careless if what I have said in the topic goes unread.

Oh okay I'll stop reading your post here then.

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CL wrote:

The Sky Is Falling

I know I said I'd stop reading what you said earlier, but I just so happened to catch this out of the corner of my eye.



Remember when Doh tried to remake TSiF and just added a lot of unnecessary bull**** to it?

Good times, eh. Good times.

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reply to Shane:

Lmfao! Haha yeah I remember that.. Man TSiF was seriously one of the best and original games on BYOND. Zi remade it but it doesn't have the cool icons nor can you get high scores like you used to.

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Draven wrote:

I'm still in the boat that FFO being buried so that all progress can be put towards Terulia is the best course of action

Hate to be that guy; but your boat is going no where...



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