Dr. Letha wrote:

Magnus Sforzando wrote:

This topic?

AGAIN?

Lol you guys. I cant tell you how many times ive pushed for a clear set of rules that all the renamers could follow. We even had numerous sets made up. but no one cared enough to like, vote on it, and you know, enforce it.

but yeah, common sense etc, dont be stupid etc.

This. We don't need random name generators or complete freedom with names. We need rules and people who enforce them.

This

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deanbad wrote:

I'm pretty sure Gaku could come up with a sophisticated name gen system without too much effort.

This is essentially what I support, but on the case of not having a generation system...

Tough ****. As Dean stated, nomenclature traditions vary greatly between cultures. For example, in many Eastern cultures, names are often derived from nouns, such as Lily. However, our western culture commonly uses Biblical standards, such as John, Chris, and Shane.

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what's shane a biblical name for HUH???

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My PSP had a character limit, but I had more to say.

Because of this difference in traditions, I allow names such as Zeus, Abyss, Blue, and Haste. These names are not standard in modern western culture, but they used to be.

To create a set of guidelines to adhere by would require addressing multiple cultures to prevent loopholes. This makes it boggy, so I personally say leave it at the Renamers discretion, and if you somehow feel they are not properly doing their job, report it to a higher up or tuff****

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Lards Pingas wrote:

what's shane a biblical name for HUH???

It a mutation of Sean which is like an Irish form of John, lardy pinkass

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Magnus Sforzando wrote:

This topic?

AGAIN?

Lol you guys. I cant tell you how many times ive pushed for a clear set of rules that all the renamers could follow. We even had numerous sets made up. but no one cared enough to like, vote on it, and you know, enforce it.

but yeah, common sense etc, dont be stupid etc.

This. We don't need random name generators or complete freedom with names. We need rules and people who enforce them.

I prefer a system that strives for as much fairness as possible without the need for human decision making.

To err is human.

A block of code makes its decisions indiscriminately. In an ideal game we would only need admins to take care of rare occurrences.

Guess how many admins are in most of the successful and balanced games that I play?

ZERO

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deanbad wrote:

Guess how many admins are in most of the successful and balanced games that I play?

ZERO

I imagine most of those games don't mind if you play as VegetaTrunkz007P3N1S69LOL, either.

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reply to deanbad:

In games such as Haven and Hearth, the game is generally set up so the playerbase could effectively moderate itself, perhaps idolactic to Terulia.

In games attaining MMO status, such as LOL, there are admins, they just exist impersonally to the playerbase, unlike FFO where Admins generally are playing while Administrating.

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Shane wrote:

reply to deanbad:
In games attaining MMO status, such as LOL, there are admins, they just exist impersonally to the playerbase, unlike FFO where Admins generally are playing while Administrating.

deanbad wrote:

A block of code makes its decisions indiscriminately. In an ideal game we would only need admins to take care of rare occurrences.

Also, as far as league moderation goes, the only real things you can report people for are playing poorly (intentionally or not), and bad sportsmanship (talking ****). Bug abused is addressed via fixing the bugs. As far as naming goes, they went the 'anything goes' route.

@Gaku

If a name generator is coded in then players can keep rolling until they get a name they're happy with and will also be acceptable since it was generated in accordance with acceptable standards.

The other option is allowing all names. Both of these options reduce the avoidable need for human moderation.

FFO is one of the few games I've played that required so much 'babysitting' and that isn't a good thing.

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reply to deanbad:

Incorrect, Dean. People can and will be reported for inappropriate names on League. In the Tribunal, it states explicitly:

12. Offensive names warrant action
If you find the name of the accused summoner offensive, click Punish. You are the judge as to whether the name is offensive. Riot Games will take care of offensive names properly.

All online RPG type games will require moderation in some form. BYOND games are simply going to have a tinier amount of people to them to where some may get away with only code-based moderation. However, people will always find a way around the code, and thus human moderation is always required in some fashion.

I can agree with one big stance on this though: Admins/Moderators should NOT be players. They should be completely unable to play the game, only able to administrate/moderate. Nothing is worse in a moderated game than a player/admin being there. It brings about suckups and promises of gear/items/assistance to try and bring bias into decisions. With admins and players being seperate entities, the chance of the admins being swayed by offers will be lowered immensely.

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Draven

I can agree with one big stance on this though: Admins/Moderators should NOT be players. They should be completely unable to play the game, only able to administrate/moderate

I'm not too sure how I feel about this. On one hand I think not only would it be better for the community for this but also more convenient for the Admin as well, especially if a Report system were put in place. However, from what I've done I have also done a lot of mediation - specifically back when spam-killing wasn't enforced by coding, so less now - but, as Dean stated, there's really a lot of babysitting.

I honestly wouldn't mind not being able to play FFO/Terulia if instead I could have a watered down set of GM powers allowing me to warp around and watch people. I think I would prefer it. As stands, it's a bit more effective for me to dabble in the community and at least keep contacts with most of the people who play.

tl;dr I think embracing a report system and leaving admins unable to play is beneficial for Terulia but not something to do for FFO.

deanbad

lso, as far as league moderation goes, the only real things you can report people

There's reporting, there's moderation. It's also very likely that's a position where people who moderate get paid or some sort of compensation. For example, in Gaia Online, a large forum community, the Forum Moderators aren't paid in money but they are compensated for their work in the form of benefits (sometimes very high-priced items, etc etc).

Most importantly these systems literally rely on the report command, which is not something inherently present in FFO or Terulia. I'm pretty sure I suggested something like that at some point but it might have fallen into the wasteland of suggestions.

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Yeah because admins making decisions that weren't playing the game totally did well before.

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Draven wrote:

reply to deanbad:

Incorrect, Dean. People can and will be reported for inappropriate names on League. In the Tribunal, it states explicitly:

12. Offensive names warrant action
If you find the name of the accused summoner offensive, click Punish. You are the judge as to whether the name is offensive. Riot Games will take care of offensive names properly.

All online RPG type games will require moderation in some form. BYOND games are simply going to have a tinier amount of people to them to where some may get away with only code-based moderation. However, people will always find a way around the code, and thus human moderation is always required in some fashion.

I can agree with one big stance on this though: Admins/Moderators should NOT be players. They should be completely unable to play the game, only able to administrate/moderate. Nothing is worse in a moderated game than a player/admin being there. It brings about suckups and promises of gear/items/assistance to try and bring bias into decisions. With admins and players being seperate entities, the chance of the admins being swayed by offers will be lowered immensely.

Must not be an enforced rule. I've seen several people with vulgar names with over 1k ranked wins.

I agree that some human moderation is needed. I never said that human moderation wouldn't be needed. I did however say that it's better to handle things through coding when possible.

Also, what kind of incentive is there for people to moderate a game for no compensation? I would totally not moderate for some game that I do not play in exchange for nothing.

Furthermore, admins who do not play the game will never have the kind of understanding that a player would when it comes to many issues.

tl;dr: humans make ****ty admins and should be used as little as possible.


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deanbad wrote:

tl;dr: humans make ****ty admins and should be used as little as possible.

after all my years of playing INTERNET GAMES, specifically stuff like BYOND and other low-level, free stuff (among which ffo is actually among the higher-class and at least once upon a time had a surprisingly mature community) i can only attest that this statement is extremely true

admins are always doing stupid selfish garbage and it's been happening in this game since (and surely before) i've even been playing -- to a downright stupid degree. the less people with any kind of power at all over others in this community, I say, the better

even renaming has been abused so damn much and though if I recall its use as a 'cheating mechanism' was fixed, I still feel rather apprehensive to have it being tossed around to anyone who wants it

also, letha seems way, way, way too mad over some trivial little matter of people using nonoffensive names that have no fault other than being imperfect for an RP atmosphere. while I always liked the 'mature, rp-encouraged' atmosphere ffo tried to provide it's long since been 'over' for the general populace and with ffo in its death throes apparently, i dunno exactly why we should bother enforcing such stuff until terulia's ready to go live... at which point, a cool name generator like dean proposed might be the best idea, so people are forced to take the **** a little bit more seriously and there'll be at least a little less whining and ambiguity that'll force people to make threads like this

and about ponies not having good ffo names, i think personally that names like 'rarity' could be fine and not necessarily be a pony reference either; and 'derpy' without the hooves part could be explained well enough in rp even if it'd look silly. man, I love the 'parents high on imp blood' idea lmao.

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If you want people to RP a name generator is like the worst thing you can do.

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That's debatable as it's subjective to an individuals view on RP.

role-play·ing
noun 

The acting out or performance of a particular role, either consciously (as a technique in psychotherapy or training) or unconsciously, in accordance with the perceived expectations of society with regard to a person's behavior in a particular context

Participation in a role-playing game


A name alone doesn't decide a character's persona, status, objectives, etc.

With the name generation I suggested the players would have some control in the generation of their name so it wouldn't be 100% random.

The game is supposed to revolve around team-play anyway. If you want to shine as an individual it's going to be your actions that make your name memorable, not the other way around.

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That's what I'm saying, make your name memorable. Then a pwipe happens and you have to make a NEW name memorable. There is power in a name. People like their names. The only reason people RP at all is because they like to make their character part of their dream. How would they explain getting a new name every few months?

I get you love making the game a funnel tract so I'm not gonna fight this really, since I won't be here anyways. I'm just saying; each update makes the game closer and closer to "BE PERSON X AND PLAY STYLE Y"

final destination no items no starfox 1 life etc etc

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why is this debate still going on? make em all acceptable already. It honestly doesn't hurt the game to have people named Snoop Doggy Dogg, it just annoys some people. If you're annoyed by it, pk them, and if you can't pk them. THEN STFU

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reply to sexEboy69:

Supresaiyan says: this guy name gramera keeps killing me
Supresaiyan says: red mage do u no who grameramera is?

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Grameramera wrote:

reply to sexEboy69:

Supresaiyan says: this guy name gramera keeps killing me
Supresaiyan says: red mage do u no who grameramera is?

exactly...if they want to go that route, they have to deal with the consequences...ponies and all, it's still the best method. Game gets like 10x the fun when you can basically w.e name you want.

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