Momoko said:

In all honesty, I think that Deylin should be made an icon checked because Relleth and Kikuri have made all of FOUR icons, and have little to no experience with such.

I agree.

Hell, I tried to get an icon from rell, in fact, when I asked he said he was not working on any and it would not take long, that was 2 months ago and now I don't need it cause ill be leaving.

Dey on the other hand made in in a few days.

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I'm not even sure why icons are policed so heavily now. Back in the day people had tons of shrunken face icons and it never caused an issue, but suddenly it causes lag. Back then, you also only needed to have one icon checker examine it, because that's all it really takes.

I'm kind of disappointed to find that it will probably be days before my icon will be in the game, despite it having been in the game multiple times before with no issues.

I don't care who checks icons, I just hope that the icon checker role can revert to how it was.

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Exophus wrote:

I'm not even sure why icons are policed so heavily now. Back in the day people had tons of shrunken face icons and it never caused an issue, but suddenly it causes lag. Back then, you also only needed to have one icon checker examine it, because that's all it really takes.

I'm kind of disappointed to find that it will probably be days before my icon will be in the game, despite it having been in the game multiple times before with no issues.

I don't care who checks icons, I just hope that the icon checker role can revert to how it was.

Xactly.


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Mobo wrote:

Exophus wrote:

I'm not even sure why icons are policed so heavily now. Back in the day people had tons of shrunken face icons and it never caused an issue, but suddenly it causes lag. Back then, you also only needed to have one icon checker examine it, because that's all it really takes.

I'm kind of disappointed to find that it will probably be days before my icon will be in the game, despite it having been in the game multiple times before with no issues.

I don't care who checks icons, I just hope that the icon checker role can revert to how it was.

Xactly.

I have been fighting with the icon checkers about this since I basically returned to the game. I agree.

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Iris wrote:

But i've never seen Kikuri use that icon once, nor do I think your argument is valid.

You were gone for a couple hostings, sup.

When Marcus made the icon FOR Deylin, after he has given it to her it forefeits all entitled owners ship of such to her.

So let's get Marcus here to prove this then.

In all honesty, I think that Deylin should be made an icon checked because Relleth and Kikuri have made all of FOUR icons, and have little to no experience with such.

Excuse me?

I know damn well how to icon, and I'm pretty sure Kikuri's been iconning longer than most anyone here.

When sending an icon to either or it took me days to get in the icon i had on my red wizard at first before it being removed due to... differances...

A couple days. Don't expect icons to go in instantly. We take care in looking over them and aren't lazy in our work etc.

I would also like to say that she actually has alot more experience iconing, and she is currently helping me make my new icon for my black wizard.

There hasn't been a single icon she's sent me where I've had to point out similarities between other icons of other players, some being mere blatant recolors. Yes, she's better with iconning in that she knows how to use others' work and attempt to hide it.

PS. RELLETH DONT YOU ADD ANY WITTY REMARKS

xF

Goddess wrote:

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I vote we replace Kiku as head icon checker as the power has clearly gone to her head, abusing her position to usurp icons that she likes that were MADE for other people? thats is clearly a violation of position if I ever saw one, rushing off to marcus to nab rights to it without even doing her job and telling dey she needed to do such BEFORE HAND which would be the correct way to do things. Selfishness is no way to do ones job and is generally speaking grounds to get fired ANYWHERE, as they say "The customer is always right.".

This.


The thing I am pissed off most is that they went behind my back to nab the permission first instead of telling me what was going on. Yes, Kikuri used the icon but she also used it AFTER I DID. Everyone knows that that icon was mine and that I used it for years. Technically, it's still originally belonging to ME.

I vote we get new icon checkers in general.

We didn't go "behind your back" to do anything. I went to Kikuri and talked with her as swiftly as possible about this, then we went to Marcus, and then to you. We tried to make this work with the least QQing possible. But then you decided that we all were out to backstab you 24/7 and raged at us. Good job.

But it didn't stop there; you went to the forums because you were mad. And look what happened.

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I nominate Deylin for the new head icon checker.

I'm sorry, you must be new to FFO to suggest that Deylin become head -anything-


Goodnight.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

A couple days. Don't expect icons to go in instantly. We take care in looking over them and aren't lazy in our work etc.

I gave you my icon the other night and you looked it over in a few minutes, which is honestly all it takes. *make sure this pixel is aligned here, make sure style is relatively ok, etc*

You said it was alright after reducing the amount of colors on my face icon(which, by the way, I'm kind of skeptical that it will still look as good).

This leads me to assume that I'm waiting on Kikuri to look at it?

You can't honestly say you guys are looking over a single icon multiple times RIGOROUSLY over the course of a few days.

Especially for an icon such as mine, that has been in the game before, and has been previously checked by multiple icon checkers.

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LMAO. I liked it when there was no bull**** about abusing icon checker and icon checker was a job not a power/privilege for people to abuse. It's ****ing customs no need to be petty about this ****.

And, tbh, retired icons should stay that way. The only permissions should be to use them as bases not to copy peoples old icons @ all. It ****s up the history of it + only adds drama. Why the **** would you want to be someone else anyway.

On the other hand someone should have exclusive rights to an icon they had put in for them. If it was put in for you originally it is yours regardless of who made it. Back when you actually commissioned your icon and it wasn't made to "loan", it was made for you to keep.. that's how it should be.

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I think it's safe to say everyone realizes how bull**** the concept of a loaned icon is.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Iris wrote:

But i've never seen Kikuri use that icon once, nor do I think your argument is valid.

You were gone for a couple hostings, sup.

When Marcus made the icon FOR Deylin, after he has given it to her it forefeits all entitled owners ship of such to her.

So let's get Marcus here to prove this then.

In all honesty, I think that Deylin should be made an icon checked because Relleth and Kikuri have made all of FOUR icons, and have little to no experience with such.

Excuse me?

I know damn well how to icon, and I'm pretty sure Kikuri's been iconning longer than most anyone here.

When sending an icon to either or it took me days to get in the icon i had on my red wizard at first before it being removed due to... differances...

A couple days. Don't expect icons to go in instantly. We take care in looking over them and aren't lazy in our work etc.

I would also like to say that she actually has alot more experience iconing, and she is currently helping me make my new icon for my black wizard.

There hasn't been a single icon she's sent me where I've had to point out similarities between other icons of other players, some being mere blatant recolors. Yes, she's better with iconning in that she knows how to use others' work and attempt to hide it.

PS. RELLETH DONT YOU ADD ANY WITTY REMARKS

xF

Goddess wrote:

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I vote we replace Kiku as head icon checker as the power has clearly gone to her head, abusing her position to usurp icons that she likes that were MADE for other people? thats is clearly a violation of position if I ever saw one, rushing off to marcus to nab rights to it without even doing her job and telling dey she needed to do such BEFORE HAND which would be the correct way to do things. Selfishness is no way to do ones job and is generally speaking grounds to get fired ANYWHERE, as they say "The customer is always right.".

This.


The thing I am pissed off most is that they went behind my back to nab the permission first instead of telling me what was going on. Yes, Kikuri used the icon but she also used it AFTER I DID. Everyone knows that that icon was mine and that I used it for years. Technically, it's still originally belonging to ME.

I vote we get new icon checkers in general.

We didn't go "behind your back" to do anything. I went to Kikuri and talked with her as swiftly as possible about this, then we went to Marcus, and then to you. We tried to make this work with the least QQing possible. But then you decided that we all were out to backstab you 24/7 and raged at us. Good job.

But it didn't stop there; you went to the forums because you were mad. And look what happened.

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I nominate Deylin for the new head icon checker.

I'm sorry, you must be new to FFO to suggest that Deylin become head -anything-


Goodnight.

Sounds like a personal attack, Relleth.

Also you're talking to someone who is used to how the way things used to be, which we fight over every time I make an icon battle.

Back then everyone used bases an yes a whole **** ton of them looked alike. That's what I'm used to. I'm not used to this extensive "effort" **** you and Kikuri are trying to force onto players.

The only blatant recolor I have ever sent you was the Brodi one because as I stated before, I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE THAT BY THE ICON MAKER. It was just recolored to Tessa's color preferences. Stop trying to use that against me, it's like you're beating a dead horse.


I've done more for this game than you Relleth. Also if you look at all of Kikuri's icons, they're all the same body format, just with a different outfit.

See: Kikuri and Queen Blace.

Yes my icons may have similarities based on other people's icons because I use bases but they have never been not edited enough for them to look like totally different icons.

I would do icon checking ten times better than you and Kikuri combined and people would get their icon in the next couple of minutes they sent it to me.


The system now is biased, flawed, inconvenient, and slow.

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Mobo wrote:

LMAO. I liked it when there was no bull**** about abusing icon checker and icon checker was a job not a power/privilege for people to abuse. It's ****ing customs no need to be petty about this ****.

And, tbh, retired icons should stay that way. The only permissions should be to use them as bases not to copy peoples old icons @ all. It ****s up the history of it + only adds drama. Why the **** would you want to be someone else anyway.

On the other hand someone should have exclusive rights to an icon they had put in for them. If it was put in for you originally it is yours regardless of who made it. Back when you actually commissioned your icon and it wasn't made to "loan", it was made for you to keep.. that's how it should be.

I think this made me like you, if only just a little bit.

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Goddess wrote:

Dr. Letha wrote:

Iris wrote:

But i've never seen Kikuri use that icon once, nor do I think your argument is valid.

You were gone for a couple hostings, sup.

When Marcus made the icon FOR Deylin, after he has given it to her it forefeits all entitled owners ship of such to her.

So let's get Marcus here to prove this then.

In all honesty, I think that Deylin should be made an icon checked because Relleth and Kikuri have made all of FOUR icons, and have little to no experience with such.

Excuse me?

I know damn well how to icon, and I'm pretty sure Kikuri's been iconning longer than most anyone here.

When sending an icon to either or it took me days to get in the icon i had on my red wizard at first before it being removed due to... differances...

A couple days. Don't expect icons to go in instantly. We take care in looking over them and aren't lazy in our work etc.

I would also like to say that she actually has alot more experience iconing, and she is currently helping me make my new icon for my black wizard.

There hasn't been a single icon she's sent me where I've had to point out similarities between other icons of other players, some being mere blatant recolors. Yes, she's better with iconning in that she knows how to use others' work and attempt to hide it.

PS. RELLETH DONT YOU ADD ANY WITTY REMARKS

xF

Goddess wrote:

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I vote we replace Kiku as head icon checker as the power has clearly gone to her head, abusing her position to usurp icons that she likes that were MADE for other people? thats is clearly a violation of position if I ever saw one, rushing off to marcus to nab rights to it without even doing her job and telling dey she needed to do such BEFORE HAND which would be the correct way to do things. Selfishness is no way to do ones job and is generally speaking grounds to get fired ANYWHERE, as they say "The customer is always right.".

This.


The thing I am pissed off most is that they went behind my back to nab the permission first instead of telling me what was going on. Yes, Kikuri used the icon but she also used it AFTER I DID. Everyone knows that that icon was mine and that I used it for years. Technically, it's still originally belonging to ME.

I vote we get new icon checkers in general.

We didn't go "behind your back" to do anything. I went to Kikuri and talked with her as swiftly as possible about this, then we went to Marcus, and then to you. We tried to make this work with the least QQing possible. But then you decided that we all were out to backstab you 24/7 and raged at us. Good job.

But it didn't stop there; you went to the forums because you were mad. And look what happened.

Morrigan Ravensong wrote:

I nominate Deylin for the new head icon checker.

I'm sorry, you must be new to FFO to suggest that Deylin become head -anything-


Goodnight.

Sounds like a personal attack, Relleth.

Also you're talking to someone who is used to how the way things used to be, which we fight over every time I make an icon battle.

Back then everyone used bases an yes a whole **** ton of them looked alike. That's what I'm used to. I'm not used to this extensive "effort" **** you and Kikuri are trying to force onto players.

The only blatant recolor I have ever sent you was the Brodi one because as I stated before, I WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE THAT BY THE ICON MAKER. It was just recolored to Tessa's color preferences. Stop trying to use that against me, it's like you're beating a dead horse.


I've done more for this game than you Relleth. Also if you look at all of Kikuri's icons, they're all the same body format, just with a different outfit.

See: Kikuri and Queen Blace.

Yes my icons may have similarities based on other people's icons because I use bases but they have never been not edited enough for them to look like totally different icons.

I would do icon checking ten times better than you and Kikuri combined and people would get their icon in the next couple of minutes they sent it to me.


The system now is biased, flawed, inconvenient, and slow.

Because case and point :P

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Exophus wrote:

I think it's safe to say everyone realizes how bull**** the concept of a loaned icon is.

Yea, but there's the incentive of people needing to abuse external power outside of game ability to get an edge. You would think icon checking wouldn't be where this is happening.. but these kids will look for any loophole to abuse, etc.

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Log from Marcus on League of Legends:

Alacor (2:50): so wait, who were you on FFO?
Marciellus (3:03): Marcus
Alacor (3:03): so
   im sure youve heard about this **** with deylin's icon
Marciellus (3:03): ?
   rofl
   i was the center of it
   lmao
   why do you ask though
Alacor (3:03): can you confirm that it was indeed deylin's icon?
Marciellus (3:03): not gonna
Alacor (3:03): why not?
Marciellus (3:04): i can how ever confirm that I used it before her
   because it's dumb
Alacor (3:04): you're right, it is dumb
Marciellus (3:04): the way the rules are now, nolynn didn't go about it the right way
Alacor (3:04): the rules right now are retarded
   loaned icon?
Marciellus (3:04): the icon chekcers were kind of shady, but nolynn instead of being mature is like super dumb about it
Alacor (3:04): idk what she did
   but still
Marciellus (3:04): no
   dont defend her in this arguement
   shes completely wrong
Alacor (3:05): not if the icon was hers
Marciellus (3:05): her overall aspect of the arguement is right
   but the way she did it all was so ****ed up
Alacor (3:05): if shes right
   then shes right
Marciellus (3:05): shes not right
   basically, if she had gone about it a diffrent way she'd have been right
   but she never took real ownership of the icon from me
Alacor (3:05): that doesnt make sense
   basically
Marciellus (3:05): i can't even say that its hers
 just because she used it doesen't mean it's hers
Alacor (3:05): youre saying she didnt ask if you were giving it to her
Marciellus (3:06): is the problem
   no
   she didn't at all
   she wanted the icon because she had lost it and didn't have a copy
Alacor (3:06): and youre saying thats why shes wrong?
Marciellus (3:06): partically
Alacor (3:06): that's my beef here
   the concept of a loaned icon
   is ridiculous
Marciellus (3:06): i hear you, the problem though
   is vurtex
   who uses peoples icon without permission
Alacor (3:06): who's vurtex again
Marciellus (3:06): Lunia
   Rika
Alacor (3:07): oh that ninja
Marciellus (3:07): idk who he/she/it goes by nowadays
   yea
   but pretty much
   she/he would use kati and my own icons without permission
   and it got to the point where they're like tits or gtfo
   you have to have permission to ****** peoples icons now
   Just like I Made the blossom icon
Alacor (3:07): that's the fault of the icon checker though
Marciellus (3:07): but i can't give it away because blossom is co-entitled to it
   because i completely gave her the icon
Alacor (3:08): letting icons slip through that werent original
Marciellus (3:08): this system is inspired by gaku though
   i agree with you tbh
   but look at it from gakus point of view
   and look at it from how i used to be
   I would make an icon for someone
   and next day they'd piss me off
   and i'd want it taken off
   Gaku completely objects to that, and thus a rule to prevent it was created
Alacor (3:09): i still don't really agree
Marciellus (3:09): tbh
   it's FFO
Alacor (3:09): because that's taking the image of someone
   and giving it to someone else
Marciellus (3:09): i'm done caring about FFO



Basically, what he said is that since she didn't adhere to the new rule regarding loaned icons, she's wrong in this argument, which is stupid. He never blatantly comes out and says it, but he HEAVILY implies that the icon was indeed Deylin's.

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I never LOST THE ICON. Ive had it since was given to me. I was never asking for him to give it to me. I was asking if it was mine, because it was played by me first.

Marcus is trying to say he is the first user, because he used it for 30 seconds to show me how it looked like when using bows, because it was super cool and looked like she was really firing one. He put the icon on himself for 30 seconds to do this when he was icon checker years ago.

That does not mean it was PLAYED by him. it was made for ME, played by ME.

How would I be able to send Relleth the icon if I didnt have it???


Edit; i also forgot to add in that when he did show me that the icon wasnt even completely finished! he did it just to show me it.

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There should be no way for checkers to abuse the system to deny an icon for someone on a technicality. The people who are the icon checkers shouldn't be that ****ing petty either.

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Kikuri's Icons:

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/4GVbLCIpLRRoGqp5U2bKLw
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4iarhg

My Icons:

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/T3pP8oA%2BObdcC9IUVJkxxA
http://www.sendspace.com/file/346iy4
http://www.sendspace.com/file/e225lf
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bh7a7j
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zgjykp



Now please go on to tell me how my icons all look similar...and how many icons Kikuri has ever created..

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''Marcus is trying to say he is the first user, because he used it for 30 seconds to show me how it looked like when using bows, because it was super cool and looked like she was really firing one. He put the icon on himself for 30 seconds to do this when he was icon checker years ago.''

I Do recall the person i even showed this to was Jules, and i left it on my character all night, I don't really care that much to prove my point but this is why it's even an issue for you nolynn you keep slandering/altering the facts to make it more presentable for your case, I promis you if you had been more direct, and alot more respectful about this whole issue you'd have gotten your way, but because you're just slandering everyone as much as you possibly can It's not working out for you. Irregardless, it's just a damn icon why is it even that big of a deal.

What I would like to know is, when will people learn that talking mad **** about people isin't the only way to get results... I know this is the FFO community though, why should i expect anything else.

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Now for something worth mentioning, Gaku why the **** are there no updates for the month of august and the month is almost over?

Also we need to talk i heard some things about you...

Edit: I really need to stop wall of texting these posts if i'm going to contribute to them.

''Basically, what he said is that since she didn't adhere to the new rule regarding loaned icons, she's wrong in this argument, which is stupid. He never blatantly comes out and says it, but he HEAVILY implies that the icon was indeed Deylin's.''

I'm not implying anything about ownership of the icon, because I have no stand in this arguement, but if i had no choice but to have a perspective, I'd say the icon is mine, and if it's really really really that big of an issue, then I'd like for every single icon i've ever contributed to FFO to be gone, and disallowed for further use, My honest opinion was neccesary here, because i really don't like people thinking they're witty by speaking on my behalf.

I know i'm black and small brain and pretty dumb ect, but jeez, you two need to have more common sense about puttiing words in other peoples mouthes, it usually backfires if they're paying attention.

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Didn't put any words in your mouth at all. The first part is completely true, about why you think she's wrong. Read through the log and say it isn't.

The second part is subjective, but come on. It most certainly is implied that the icon is hers, but you just didn't want to say it. Just because you had the icon on you for a day doesn't mean anything.

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Just another example of how all power however small on this game gets abused to all possible ends.

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Nurse Kikuri wrote:

Yes the icon WAS yours. It was taken away and given to ME.

we agreed to let the creator (Marcus) decide who could use it

You lost the rights to it.

By your logic, no one but the icon creator, Marcus, has rights to the icon. Therefore, you nor Relleth specifically get to decide whether or not Deylin can use the icon, because all the rights are forwarded to the creator.

Any other solution is hypocritical and goes in flagrant disregard of ex post facto which was already applied to the scenario beforehand.

/topic

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