In case Kumog didn't put it clear enough for some people,

3.5 will never be brought back.

Ever.

I didn't even play back then and I know it won't come back no matter how many people want it.

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3.5 is like a dead relative. Because it's gone you think you sorely miss them because emotions are irrational, but in reality they stunk, stole a lot of your time for themselves, and weren't really on friendly terms with your parents anyway.

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If you guys don't get how it works I'll post it here for you kids.

See 3.5 is what we commonly refer to the version of FFO that came to be during BYOND's version 3.5. Since then, FFO's game version (not at all related to 3.5) was editted and built upon. BYOND 4.0 came to be. FFO was then called 4.0 (still had nothing to do with FFO's version itself). By now "3.5" is already gone, because it was transformed into 4.0. And now today we have 4.002932. There is no going back to 4.0 or 3.5. Because Gaku doesn't save versions of FFO in little libraries. He changes the one FFO in itself. There is no longer a 3.5 coding.

Sorry.

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Marcus wrote:

Again, this may not have been a bad idea way back when, and it's not too bad of an idea now, but you're all forgetting the one flaw with the idea.

The FFO community.

this is all anyone needs to know about anything at this point
this is the ultimate truth

didn't even take me half a week of playing ffo again after the pwipe -- actually having fun, and enjoying the post-no-exp update, actually having a good time, before vurtex and cronies start pissing me off, whining about how i got perms taken away, guys like him and blax and etc. just want 3.5 and pvp heaven with no rules and no fun, etc.

i remember when ffo was gonna be an rp game, even though i rolled with norkia who hated it and had a fun time, i wish it'd have been able to stay in that route. i wish there were some way to get terulia to be that route, heavily. only then do i feel it'd be really good -- have a nice, controlled community and leave all these insufferables to stay with dead-ffo forever, rehost 3.5 for them, let them pvp to death and let the rest of us + new guys that are actually mature actually enjoy a game

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It does not matter if 3.5 is not coming back or not. Regardless if you guys waste your time of changing icons and just put the game back on the hub without the name of "Final Fantasy" attached to it, the game will fail if the current system is kept but just a change of icons.

It's funny how people try to say "Oh the game is not dead we have players and we get 20+ during the day." A game is not based on it's players. This game is dead whether it gets 50+ players due to the system. There is no form of interaction that goes on between players. The only form of interaction I as a player would have with another would have to do with one or two reasons.

A. I want to buy/sell/trade item(s)
B. Domain War/PVP (which is nonexistent anyway)

So if you going to put in the effort to put FFO back on the hub, you better do it RIGHT and have Gaku give you an older version of the game as well before he implemented these Terulia-esque updates of training.

I have a level 20 White Wizard. And from the time I created the character till now, I absolutely desired no form of player interaction. Meaning no need to party. This game sucks. All you have to do is ****ing drag a few mobs and run in town and just train proficiencies. Does that sound like a Final Fantasy game to you guys? And you know what the hell I'm talking about. There is a reason this game is titled Final Fantasy ONLINE. If I wanted to solo I would just whip out my Game Boy Advance and put in FF1.

Sure this game's community sucks but face it even last hosting before these Terulia updates were put in we had epic parties and the game did not have traffic coming in since it was removed from the hub. Hell parties were so huge in that hosting it was like 20+ people easily everyday. So obviously Gaku you need to realize that you did something wrong with you game and just own up to it. No one wants Terulia and you might as well stop while you are ahead. If you want a successful game you might as well put up an older version of FFO with new icons and call it a day. #WakeUp

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reply to CL:

DAYUM my ***** went hard. But anyways, what she is saying is true. I mean, in all honesty who wants Terulia besides Dean (in which, he quit because he was an abusive non fun *** guy who liked Deylin) and Relleth (who's that).

What I'm saying is, your intentions was good, but sucked.
Take the updates you have in terulia, put them in this game, remake the system, add back experience. Put on hub, wait a couple of hours/day. AND WATCH, just watch how many people log on. If it's 7 new faces, I'm happy. But for the past 2 days since I came back, I never seen 20 members. It's always 15. Mostly afk. Nobody can train, you have to solo. Boring. Stop acting stuck-up Gaku and listen to the community for once. GET RID OF TERULIA, IT SUCKS. STAY WITH FFO AND MAKE IT BETTER.

PS: If I can't make that clear, I don't know what CAN. BLAX OUT! Lord, KING, THIEF, MASTER, BLAX OUT.

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reply to Legendary Blax:

Yeah who IS Relleth anyway.







Alright for real.

Stop acting stuck-up Gaku and listen to the community for once. GET RID OF TERULIA, IT SUCKS. STAY WITH FFO AND MAKE IT BETTER

You really don't get it at all, don't you? FFO cannot be improved on because NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, FFO will NEVER get back on the HUB as it stands, since "Square Enix" issues a C&D. As in, a Cease and Desist. As in, no more public FFO. There is no point. So Terulia is being made.
Also, you have absolutely no clue what we all think. Maybe you know what you and your little clique think, but that's what, four-five people? Come back when you have the vast majority of the players wanting FFO. And even then, have fun forcing Gaku to work on it. Really, good luck.
Gaku isn't stuck-up at all. True, he isn't always making the greatest choices and some people would condemn him for some of his actions, but he's doing what he thinks is best, and when people like you come along, do you honestly think he'd bother to listen to this garbage you keep spewing? He'll do what he thinks is best for his game(s), and people will respond accordingly. But whining will get you NOWHERE.

What I'm saying is, your intentions was good, but sucked.

No. YOUR intentions are absolute trash. "YO MANG PUT 3.5 BACK **** WAS SO FUN LET'S PUT IT BACK YO NOWADAYS **** SUCKS ASS SO PUT BACK 3.5 AND LET'S GET OUR BROKEN FUN ON" isn't a good defense for wanting 3.5. Any other legitimate reasons? Fun. For who? People who like broken things? I was not around for 3.5, and at first I kinda wanted it a while back just because all I heard about it were cool things. THEN I began hearing more and more about 3.5 in reality. I can assure you, it won't come back. Any arguements you have as to why it SHOULD come back (if it even could, since Cea masterfully explained how it CANNOT) will be shot down. Go on, give another reason. Let's see how that reason will stand.

PS: If I can't make that clear, I don't know what CAN. BLAX OUT! Lord, KING, THIEF, MASTER, BLAX OUT.

You're right. You can't make it clearer if you tried. Because IT WON'T BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A LEGITIMATE STANCE AS TO WHY 3.5 SHOULD COME BACK. Being fun, or whatever you call a broken ****fest like 3.5, isn't anything more than a baseless reason.
Also, I know I used to look up to you a year ago, because I was an idiot back then (I'm probably an idiot still in some people's eyes), but now I see who you really are. You aren't a Lord, you aren't a King in anything other than an RP if you even have one, you aren't a thief, you aren't a master, you are nothing more than another PLAYER. As in, you have no more of a say in what happens than any other players. You can suggest things all you want, and people will agree/disagree at their own discretion. But doing nothing but whining and *****ing about the way things are will do NOTHING to help you. At all. That's the sad truth of it Black.

I don't even care if you don't understand my point, but I'm still throwing this all out there. In fact, I'd be surprised if you had any sort of change. But really, it's you Black; you're most likely going to go back to whining about wanting 3.5/how FFO now sucks/how Terulia won't work, and you might even get 'your *****s' or whatever you call them to back you up, but really now.


People like you and Tyrael seem to only hear and read what you want to hear and read, and won't ever listen to anyone else no matter how badly you get shut down. Either way, I only ask that you take the following advice from your old ally:

Shut up.

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Now really Relleth, was all that typing necessary?

I know you're tired of typing because believe me, what you typed was a bunch of bull****, hot garbage, ****, ass, stank and so on.

I'm gonn- also, impression of me with the "yo's bro dont do that **** brah you know me" Naw dawg, you don't know me.

Anyways back on topic. I'm not saying throw 3.5 back, hell it was a "has-been" Cea explained well. To my knowledge, **** 3.5.

I was change the name, put more maps in, more quest, more island, **** even more classes, if possible. Make the game overall good, and not the same as it would be (if you knew what I mean, in which Relleth you haven't been around but what 3 hostings. Sit down newb.) What I'm saying is simply, read what Exo said, read what Bloss said, hell even read what I SAID.

Relleth no need for you to comment, you're probably gonna read this and type another 3-4 paragraph page of nothing. So just sit back and watch what happens, k?

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Blossom's actually hitting the nail on the head, it's crazy. That's the EXACT reason I don't have as much an appeal to the game any more (that and you guys are a ****ty community lololol).

But seriously for like the past 3 years I could log on dsay and try to start a CONVERSATION. And NO ONE will reply. And then some dumb ass perma farmer will be like "lolol i got this mace" and then SUDDENLY the entire game is like "OMG WTB WTB WTB"

It's like, really guys? ALL you want to do is kill **** and level up?

I'm so amazed Blossom said this because I don't know if he was around back when we still did "RP". Even the most basic of RP, ie having discussions with adventurers you meant on the raod, made the game SO much better.

That warm and welcoming way of FFO is probably gone for gewd though. I couldn't tell ya what's missing or what went wrong. But it's gone.

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reply to Cea:

I agree with the whole conversation thing, but a new influx of players could easily remedy that. Obviously it's not a guaranteed solution, but it's pretty much the only way to even try. Something I've always hated about the community, even when there actually were conversations, was everyone's trolly attitude. People here try way too hard to sound like some moron that crawled out of 4chan or whatever the **** corner of the internet that **** comes from.

That being said... the **** is wrong with you Blossom? If you hate the game so much and what it is becoming, why the hell are you still here? I don't understand the self-entitlement here. This is Gaku's game. Gaku can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

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@Cea - Yes I have played way back when RPing in FFO was cool. Hell I would know, I did plenty of it in inn rooms.

@Exophus - The **** is wrong with me? First off I have every right to voice my opinion. I am not going to beat around the bush like some of you ****s who bite your tongue in favor of not offending another person. When you pay my bills, specifically my internet bill then you can decide where I place my time when I am not busy with school/work. And to be frank with you I am not "here". No one is in this game. Just because they are here does not mean they are "here". Cea understands what I am speaking about. Maybe if you actually tried to decipher what I was saying you would understand that I actually give a damn about the game. You remind me of someone who would be friends with a person, see them making terrible decisions yet never say anything. Psh, **** off.

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reply to CL:

"The **** is wrong with me? First off I have every right to voice my opinion. I am not going to beat around the bush like some of you ****s who bite your tongue in favor of not offending another person."

So because we disagree with you, we are biting our tongues about the state of the game? You're full of ****.

"And to be frank with you I am not "here". No one is in this game. Just because they are here does not mean they are "here"."

I never said "here" was logged into the game, which is obviously what you're taking it as. Why would "here" mean anything else other than the forums, considering we are talking to each other HERE. You are here, on Gaku's forum, *****ing about the decisions he made. It is what he wanted, and to be frank, your opinion on it isn't worth ****.

"Cea understands what I am speaking about. Maybe if you actually tried to decipher what I was saying you would understand that I actually give a damn about the game."

That's nice for Cea. I'm not here to decipher your opinions on this game. If you want to get a point across, speak plainly. I never once said you didn't give a damn about the game. Obviously you do - that's why you're here. However, you clearly hate what the game is right now. You need to realize that any old versions of FFO are never coming back. If you don't like what the game has become, then the solution is simple for you: leave.

"You remind me of someone who would be friends with a person, see them making terrible decisions yet never say anything."

Funny how someone you don't even know can remind you of someone.

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So because we disagree with you, we are biting our tongues about the state of the game? You're full of ****.

This is not about disagreeing. This is about allowing me to speak my mind in my own manner. I could give a damn who disgrees/agrees. Just like I could careless if it comes across as harsh. If the game sucks it sucks, no nice way of putting it.

I never said "here" was logged into the game, which is obviously what you're taking it as. Why would "here" mean anything else other than the forums, considering we are talking to each other HERE. You are here, on Gaku's forum, *****ing about the decisions he made. It is what he wanted, and to be frank, your opinion on it isn't worth ****.

And you think your opinion matters much? Even more this topic you created out of your lack of understanding of what has become of FFO is worth **** as well. You are delusional, this whole topic has everything to do WITH the game. Oh wait I forgot you don't play yet you are trying to place your opinion on what Gaku should do with the game until Terulia is fully developed. Heh, and if you think your opinion for that matter weighs any higher than anyone else, you might as well take a seat and learn when to speak when you know what the hell are you talking about.

That's nice for Cea. I'm not here to decipher your opinions on this game. If you want to get a point across, speak plainly. I never once said you didn't give a damn about the game. Obviously you do - that's why you're here. However, you clearly hate what the game is right now. You need to realize that any old versions of FFO are never coming back. If you don't like what the game has become, then the solution is simple for you: leave.

As stated before, when you are the one who pays my expenses then you can suggest what I do with my internet usage. Just because you do not understand what is being clearly stated, does not mean one is not speaking plainly. Like I said before, you do not play the game so it's rather amusing how you are trying to defend the game for what it has become when YOU yourself do not possess any form of knowledge of what exactly that is.

Funny how someone you don't even know can remind you of someone.

What is even more funny is the fact that you created a topic on the state of FFO and then cry when someone explains exactly why it's in the state that it's in now.

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reply to Exophus:

Eh, It's a small world. ;3

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reply to CL:

You need to take a class in reading comprehension or something, because you're failing pretty hard at it right now.

And you think your opinion matters much? Even more this topic you created out of your lack of understanding of what has become of FFO is worth **** as well.

Your opinion doesn't matter because you want something that will never happen. You want an old version of FFO brought back when it is clear that the game is only moving forward. Your opinion on what the game should be is the complete opposite of what Gaku made the game into, therefore your opinion is irrelevant as ****.

This thread(or more specifically, my original post), which apparently has been branded my opinion on what should happen to the game IS relevant, because it deals with what the game is currently, and what could be done to make the game a lot more enjoyable and accessible without much effort on Gaku's part.

You are delusional, this whole topic has everything to do WITH the game.

Where the **** did you go to school so I can register a complaint on their teaching of reading comprehension?

It does have to do with the game, but this whole "here" bull**** started with me saying you are HERE on the FORUMS *****ing about what Gaku wants. Then you started trying to spew some bull**** about "here" being the game. I honestly don't even know where the **** you're trying to go with this part of your argument, or any other part of it for that matter. It goes back to that whole reading comprehension failure of yours again.

Oh wait I forgot you don't play yet you are trying to place your opinion on what Gaku should do with the game until Terulia is fully developed.

How does the fact that I currently don't actively play have ANY weight on me saying Gaku should just have someone swap out the FFO icons with Terulia icons and then put it back on the hub? The game CLEARLY needs new blood to get rid of infectious morons like yourself.

What is even more funny is the fact that you created a topic on the state of FFO and then cry when someone explains exactly why it's in the state that it's in now.

Did you even READ the original post? This thread is about putting FFO back on the hub because of the need of new players in order to breathe new life into the community.

Like I said before, you do not play the game so it's rather amusing how you are trying to defend the game for what it has become when YOU yourself do not possess any form of knowledge of what exactly that is.

I love how you keep saying I don't play the game when I've played it on and off for YEARS. The last time I played was just before the pwipe, so yeah, I know what the **** the game is like and there's nothing wrong with it. The only thing FFO really needs right now is a higher active population.

Seriously, how are you going to just assume someone doesn't play the game? Throughout the history of FFO people have made new characters without telling anyone about it, and I have done so on multiple occasions.

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A'ight, a'ight, a'ight, hold the **** up, y'all. Get a nice grasp on your **** and/or vagina y'all, 'cause I'm 'bout to get super real here, ya' dig?

Now, lemme start wit' just a few posts up, y'all, so I can start this **** off right, a'ight?

Blossom be writin':

There is no form of interaction that goes on between players. The only form of interaction I as a player would have with another would have to do with one or two reasons.

A. I want to buy/sell/trade item(s)
B. Domain War/PVP (which is nonexistent anyway)

A'ight, sir and/or madame, whichever it is you want to be referred to this hosting, I hear ya', I hear ya'. I be gettin' where you're comin' from, and I'ma let you finish, but lemme jus' say, girl and/or dog --

This pretty much nails one of the primary issues on the head. I ain't gonna deny **** about this. The only reason I care enough to moderate FFO is because I have friends that still play and talking to them from time to time is pretty cool, even if it's nothing close to super awesome player interaction.

But let's take this a bit farther: What are the causes of this stagnation of the community? Now, FFO was pretty popular back in th' day, yeah, I remember all that ****, but could you really say it was legitimate player interaction aside from just trying to become stronger? There were a few players here and there interested in RP, but they generally did not stick around for long or got swept up by just massive PvP and forever grinding anyway. By your definition, it does not require too much of an imagination to state that the community of FFO has, for a while, been pretty 'dead'.

The emphasis on PvP in FFO has created a rather dire divide between what it is and what it should be. It works fairly well as a fast-paced action game, with a little bit of strategy, in a rather sandbox situation. It does not work as a game which has replay value. The attempts at replay value are just tacked on rather mindlessly - grinding for gear, gold, and EXP. The sandbox environment of the FFO world works fairly well in making each server feel like it's own hosting, but that doesn't make each successive hosting feel just as good as the first few days of playing FFO.

So issue one: The emphasis of PvP in a sandbox game.

Another gigantic issue that was not really considered by many until the recent C&D by S-E is the engine of which it is located on. BYOND is not popular. It is not a huge thing on the Internet. BYOND does not receive a large publicity. It is its own little secret corner of the Internet. On top of that, for the people who do browse BYOND games, which generally average ages of 13-15 considering the whole of BYOND, no one can see FFO online anymore for the C&D. Even if they did see it on, there's not much selling it more than any other game. And even worse, trying to advertise BYOND games to non-BYOND-players is a nightmare - the entire BYOND software is clunky and non-intuitive.

If this game really wanted to see success, a huge step would be getting off the BYOND engine, which would require a recoding of the engine.

While the second issue is not currently in works to be solved, the first one already is. It's a little game called Terulia. Maybe you've heard of it.

Blossom still be talkin' stuff like:

Sure this game's community sucks but face it even last hosting before these Terulia updates were put in we had epic parties and the game did not have traffic coming in since it was removed from the hub.

Now, now, hold up, girl, hold up. I know y'all did not just make a logical fallacy up in this *****. Listen to yo'self speak, before ya' speak some stupid, girl.

Last hosting two huge changes near simultaneously happened that can not accurately be traced as impacting the total player-base:

1) FFO was removed from the Hub via C&D Order from "S-E".
2) Experience was removed in favor of natural proffing via allowances.

You are stating that the removal of experience has led to the destruction of the want to party with people, when the case is only that it has made soloing a more viable option. Maybe you specifically don't want to party with people, but it's been my preference always to train with my friends - now, it just so happens that I don't have to wait for my friends to be able to make massive amounts of progress.

That system is pretty flawed for FFO, which before then Gaku has stated that he has preferred the reliance on parties to make progress, forcing the player interaction. For Terulia, which should not focus on monster grind nearly so much anyway, it's not as big of a deal.

Regardless, I would not blame your behavior to avoid people like the plague as an issue with the game so much as an issue with the community. Which conveniently transitions into:

Now Darth Cea happen to be remarkin' about things:

ALL you want to do is kill **** and level up?

That's all there is to do in the game. If I wanted to talk to people, I would have joined a chatroom.

I'm sorry, but that's just how it goes for a game where all there is to do is kill **** and level up. You kill more **** and level up again afterwards.

This girl Letha be gettin' up in some grills:

IT WON'T BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A LEGITIMATE STANCE AS TO WHY 3.5 SHOULD COME BACK

Contrary to what you might immediately think, there has been a pretty legitimate stance as to why degrading FFO would be a benefit to FFO: The allowances system just is not for FFO. It is a system that requires grinding, and grinding is best done in a party, and forcing it to be done in a party forces player interaction, which forces drama, which forces PvP. It may not seem like a big deal to have changed the way the leveling-up system works, but it's been a gigantic detriment to FFO itself, even if it is rather beneficial to Terulia. If you don't understand, then you should read up a bit more.

Now, naturally, going back to 3.5 specifically might be a bit too much, considering the large amounts of progress that have been made since to balance out the game to an acceptable degree. However, degrading FFO would have a large benefit to FFO.

But hey, this is terulia.com, so who cares about FFO?



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Now some *****' be talkin' smack and will probably repeat this exactly to me after he be readin' what I have to say on the matter:

Now really Relleth, was all that typing necessary?

I know you're tired of typing because believe me, what you typed was a bunch of bull****, hot garbage, ****, ass, stank and so on.

I swear to my god Anubis if you say this to my gigantic wall of text too, I will punch a ***** in the ****. Right in front of Baby Blax, too. Baby Blax won't have any Blaxest Siblings, either.

But then dis *****' be goin' on about:

Make the game overall good, and not the same as it would be (if you knew what I mean, in which Relleth you haven't been around but what 3 hostings. Sit down newb.)

Your opinion here is probably respected by at least one person, but I have to remark that FFO isn't going to be good. To make FFO really, sincerely, honestly good would involve changing so much **** that it doesn't look like FFO anymore. This is where we have disparity in people's perception of what a good game is: Some people will find a game that is about a forever grind more enjoyable, similar to what 3.5 is. Others would like to see this game evolve into something that relies on the community and the sandbox environment to lead it to success, similar to what Terulia is. Sorry bro, it just so happens that Gaku be favorin' that latter option.

Not to mention:

3-4 paragraph page

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP.

Have a 6-7 paragraph page instead.

Den Blossom and Exophus be gettin' at eachotha's throats kinda like so:

the **** is wrong with you Blossom?

I am not going to beat around the bush like some of you ****s who bite your tongue in favor of not offending another person

Okay both of you shut the **** up.

Also dat Blossom girl stated:

Yes I have played way back when RPing in FFO was cool. Hell I would know, I did plenty of it in inn rooms.

Cyber =/= RPing.

Not a flame.

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It seems to me that there are enough problems with FFO that it's not worth the effort in replacing the icons yet again. This database conversion is not easy at all, but I think it will improve things substantially once complete. Once it is done, I'm hoping Sark will join to help with the programming as we'd discussed.

P.s. - I actually do have a small library of archived game versions, one of which is 3.5, and some of which came shortly thereafter, but I stopped doing this about 3 years ago.

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Grameramera wrote:

It seems to me that there are enough problems with FFO that it's not worth the effort in replacing the icons yet again. This database conversion is not easy at all, but I think it will improve things substantially once complete.

Mind elaborating on this? If it's not worth replacing the icons again, what's the database conversion for?

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