Mobo wrote:

admin who was handing out bans was one of the people abusing the same glitch

Except I wasn't. Admittedly, last server, I did take part in abuse of the glitch, but that was after a duping mechanic had been found and, because the server was not pwiped after that and Gaku had already alerted us of an impending pwipe, I did not mind.

This server I used no abused gold - the only thing I have ever done with duplicated gold was donate it to Naval Protection Zone. I also have not seen my friends abusing the bug, and since I was up in Irendi butt****ing them for the first few weeks, if they somehow managed to do it without me knowing then I'd probably actually be impressed.

Also weren't you *****ing about still being in mostly Novice gear after a week of playing?

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Well, regardless of if anything everyone says is true or not, we all (majority) want FFO back as it was.

I don't know how to put this in anyway but similar to what Sai's post was about (Large Stick.)

All these "oldbies" are coming back, playing the server for only 4 hours saying stuff like "this is bull****, what was Gaku thinking. He listened to Marcus, Dean, Deylin, all those other people and ruined a fun game."

For those of you who think Shane is a badmin...Stay on topic. He wasn't before prolly not even now. But he wouldn't mind Gaku putting FFO back to where it use to be. I was thinking the title...."Terulia 3.5" or something in that case.

Basically this hosting now, it sucks. The Terulia updates suck also. Everytime we comment on how bad it is, Relleth comes in and trolls. We need a Global admin to stop that also. But yea, change some classes, classes names, and go on with itself.

That way people can be around enjoying a masterpiece in the making.

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That's all opinionated, I like how ffo/terulia is now it appeases me more since I can't autofollow an entire party and just dump exp

And why should we cater to what oldbies want?

Change isn't neccisarily a bad thing(I think I spelled that wrong) it mainly seems most of the old players can't handle the drastic change ffo made and haven't taken the time to really think about the benefits of the system and have only been focusing on the bad in their eyes

Its all a matter of opinion, I personally LIKE hell, kinda LOVE this system

And on a side note, relleth isn't trolling when he says what he does(well, excluding the side comments, but the bulk of his points are legit)he also enjoys this system over the previous

Its also quite a unique system and its nice to see some originality in games instead of every game using a "kill enemies and level" type system, however that system works due to very few if any flaws, but when put into an online game either you need to drastically reduce the amount of experience gained from mobs/drastically increase exp to level and give quests exp rewards(basically WoW leveling system because it works)

I would ideally like to see exp put in at a much more drastic requirement from mobs so that you still get a feeling of a reward from slaying mobs while only proffing via use, mixing the 2 systems so that oldbies who whine for experience dumping bla bla will still get the "reward/reason to kill mobs" and without dumping the spoonfeeding won't be such a problem as it was, and would grant reason to party as well which players whine about

Also, I wouldn't want to see negative exp in such a system so that if someone no lifes the game, their plc/wlc will prevent them from leveling, without gaining negative exp they won't instantly jump levels, giving other players(casual players) a chance to catch up

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Rarity wrote:

That's all opinionated, I like how ffo/terulia is now it appeases me more since I can't autofollow an entire party and just dump exp

And why should we cater to what oldbies want?

Change isn't neccisarily a bad thing(I think I spelled that wrong) it mainly seems most of the old players can't handle the drastic change ffo made and haven't taken the time to really think about the benefits of the system and have only been focusing on the bad in their eyes

Its all a matter of opinion, I personally LIKE hell, kinda LOVE this system

And on a side note, relleth isn't trolling when he says what he does(well, excluding the side comments, but the bulk of his points are legit)he also enjoys this system over the previous


Its also quite a unique system and its nice to see some originality in games instead of every game using a "kill enemies and level" type system, however that system works due to very few if any flaws, but when put into an online game either you need to drastically reduce the amount of experience gained from mobs/drastically increase exp to level and give quests exp rewards(basically WoW leveling system because it works)

I would ideally like to see exp put in at a much more drastic requirement from mobs so that you still get a feeling of a reward from slaying mobs while only proffing via use, mixing the 2 systems so that oldbies who whine for experience dumping bla bla will still get the "reward/reason to kill mobs" and without dumping the spoonfeeding won't be such a problem as it was, and would grant reason to party as well which players whine about

Also, I wouldn't want to see negative exp in such a system so that if someone no lifes the game, their plc/wlc will prevent them from leveling, without gaining negative exp they won't instantly jump levels, giving other players(casual players) a chance to catch up

This whole post ^ is basically saying you don't want anyone stronger then you, you want everyone to stay the same. From someone that has to go to work/school from those that can train all night, wake up train all day, repeat this cycle....and not get rewarded. Having a system that killing monsters you GET exp is I don't know, FUN. Something you can accomplish, something YOU can I don't know brag and or show off the accomplishment by killing other players. I don't know anyone but you two....who likes the leveling system. It's not what Olbies want, it's what EVERYONE wants. Who wants to run to dragons, spawn 2 dragons run upstairs and spam your magic until it proffs atleast 3 times, repeat the same affair. It's pratically STUPID. But hey, that's just an example. No telling who does anything worse....but yea you get my point

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Legendary Blax wrote:

Everytime we comment on how bad it is, Relleth comes in and trolls. We need a Global admin to stop that also.

Being a smartass > being a dumbass
Being a smartass =/= blatant trolling

Rarity wrote:

And on a side note, relleth isn't trolling when he says what he does(well, excluding the side comments, but the bulk of his points are legit)he also enjoys this system over the previous

Po nailed that right on the head.

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Legendary Blax wrote:

Rarity wrote:

That's all opinionated, I like how ffo/terulia is now it appeases me more since I can't autofollow an entire party and just dump exp

And why should we cater to what oldbies want?

Change isn't neccisarily a bad thing(I think I spelled that wrong) it mainly seems most of the old players can't handle the drastic change ffo made and haven't taken the time to really think about the benefits of the system and have only been focusing on the bad in their eyes

Its all a matter of opinion, I personally LIKE hell, kinda LOVE this system

And on a side note, relleth isn't trolling when he says what he does(well, excluding the side comments, but the bulk of his points are legit)he also enjoys this system over the previous


Its also quite a unique system and its nice to see some originality in games instead of every game using a "kill enemies and level" type system, however that system works due to very few if any flaws, but when put into an online game either you need to drastically reduce the amount of experience gained from mobs/drastically increase exp to level and give quests exp rewards(basically WoW leveling system because it works)

I would ideally like to see exp put in at a much more drastic requirement from mobs so that you still get a feeling of a reward from slaying mobs while only proffing via use, mixing the 2 systems so that oldbies who whine for experience dumping bla bla will still get the "reward/reason to kill mobs" and without dumping the spoonfeeding won't be such a problem as it was, and would grant reason to party as well which players whine about

Also, I wouldn't want to see negative exp in such a system so that if someone no lifes the game, their plc/wlc will prevent them from leveling, without gaining negative exp they won't instantly jump levels, giving other players(casual players) a chance to catch up

This whole post ^ is basically saying you don't want anyone stronger then you, you want everyone to stay the same. From someone that has to go to work/school from those that can train all night, wake up train all day, repeat this cycle....and not get rewarded. Having a system that killing monsters you GET exp is I don't know, FUN. Something you can accomplish, something YOU can I don't know brag and or show off the accomplishment by killing other players. I don't know anyone but you two....who likes the leveling system. It's not what Olbies want, it's what EVERYONE wants. Who wants to run to dragons, spawn 2 dragons run upstairs and spam your magic until it proffs atleast 3 times, repeat the same affair. It's pratically STUPID. But hey, that's just an example. No telling who does anything worse....but yea you get my point

I play a ww, I don't really care if others are stronger then me, like, at all
I play ffo not to be an elitist, but to have fun, I personally find running around slaying monsters and gaining profs to be very satisfying to me due to my mass amount of spare time, that and sparring with others to test the strength my character has gained doing such acts

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Wait.. what? This entire system puts the game on easy mode. Sure, you can't power level other people.. but they can easily power level themselves.

Come on now, you don't even have to kill ****, just spawn it and you get allowances. How the **** does that even make sense?

A mix of the experience and auto prof system would just be the old system with more auto prof and wait what did you say? No negative experience? Then ****, you had better auto-level like 3.5, huh. Probably good to take out any form of level cap too.

I know I'mma be mad as a ***** if I go kill some dragons and my xp stops because it hits how much I need to level and I'm @ the level cap.

That makes NO ****ing sense Po.


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Then let's drastically reduce the amount of allowance earned by spawning monsters if it's such a problem.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Then let's drastically reduce the amount of allowance earned by spawning monsters if it's such a problem.

All you're going to do is make it harder for people who can only survive low level zones. I capped my **** running around plains and desert and ruins etc. If you nerf the whole system bad enough that it still doesn't give more allowances than I need, then the people on NB, Argo, etc. will be getting slow ass profs.

A better idea would be to put back in experience but nerf how much each kill gives, while nerfing auto prof so its slower but not as slow as the regular experience system, basically Po's idea minus the no negative experience.. because that is stupid as ****.

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Mobo wrote:

All you're going to do is make it harder for people who can only survive low level zones.

I capped my **** running around plains and desert and ruins etc.

xF



The only class that should really have an issue with this would be White Mage since it's not really built to kill much anything that hasn't already died yet (undead etc). I would suggest another buff to Light elemental spells but there's no way that would work effectively. Give me some time to think about this and I'll come up with a solution for our healers.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Mobo wrote:

All you're going to do is make it harder for people who can only survive low level zones.

I capped my **** running around plains and desert and ruins etc.

Contradictory?



The only class that should really have an issue with this would be White Mage since it's not really built to kill much anything that hasn't already died yet (undead etc). I would suggest another buff to Light elemental spells but there's no way that would work effectively. Give me some time to think about this and I'll come up with a solution for our healers.

That wasn't contradictory. New players die more than people who have experience doing things. I ran around desert and took very few if any hits because I know how to dodge mobs. 70% of players suck and would have died getting chased by dozens of pedes and cocks at level 10.

Therefore, you would only make it harder for people who can only survive lower leveled zones. People who know their way around elsewhere, or who get babysat at highlands etc, will still have the big advantage.

Light is already pretty good (you can even argue that it's over powered), how about these white wizards get off their asses and learn to melee?

If you did add experience from killing, WW would be one of the last classes to worry about seeing as they can solo ruins easily and ruins monsters now scale making them weak as all ****.

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Mobo wrote:

That wasn't contradictory. New players die more than people who have experience doing things. I ran around desert and (egostroke)

Therefore, you would only make it harder for people who can only survive lower leveled zones. People who know their way around elsewhere, or who get babysat at highlands etc, will still have the big advantage.

Light is already pretty good (you can even argue that it's over powered), how about these white wizards get off their asses and learn to melee?

If you did add experience from killing, WW would be one of the last classes to worry about seeing as they can solo ruins easily and ruins monsters now scale making them weak as all ****.

You do realize us Irendians kill our spawns just as much as everyone else right?

Also, you seem to be under the impression that we're getting new players, which is not happening.

If White Mages/Wizards are as powerful as God King Sai of White Mages/Wizards says they are, then I guess there's no worry about removing allowance gained from spawning monsters, or at least cutting off a large percentage of it.
It's the same people playing FFO, and we all basically know how the game works and how to get the good items, so killing spawns for our allowance should be no big deal.

Right?

Right.

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Mobo wrote:

you don't even have to kill ****, just spawn it and you get allowances. How the **** does that even make sense?

You are focusing on the wrong mechanic regarding the system. The base idea is to have a system of natural proffing. This means:

Use skill
Get better at skills

If you're wanting to observe our options in context of 'having sense,' then I would like to propose that the original mechanic made even less sense. You had to at most be near things that recently died, and any skill or ability of yours was capable of increasing.

Our current system is, if you would like to entertain the comparison, is rather similar to Bethesda's Elder Scrolls games. However, in The Elder Scrolls games, you could jump around forever and eventually get maxed out Acrobatics. This is a flawed system for a multiplayer game because, since it is really easy to abuse, it gives a huge advantage to people capable of abusing it as compared to those who are not capable or will not abuse it.

The Allowances system, then, acts as an inhibitor to lower the amount of abuse that could come from the natural proffing system. You could say it relates to increasing one's skills via using them in practical situations, e.g. killing monsters.

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note to self: write up that idea you had when you were ready to go to bed about prof-stats & isolated prof amount per level

someone else: bump this thread so I check it tomorrow morning when I wake up

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Mobo wrote:

That wasn't contradictory. New players die more than people who have experience doing things. I ran around desert and (egostroke)

Therefore, you would only make it harder for people who can only survive lower leveled zones. People who know their way around elsewhere, or who get babysat at highlands etc, will still have the big advantage.

Light is already pretty good (you can even argue that it's over powered), how about these white wizards get off their asses and learn to melee?

If you did add experience from killing, WW would be one of the last classes to worry about seeing as they can solo ruins easily and ruins monsters now scale making them weak as all ****.

You do realize us Irendians kill our spawns just as much as everyone else right?

Also, you seem to be under the impression that we're getting new players, which is not happening.

If White Mages/Wizards are as powerful as God King Sai of White Mages/Wizards says they are, then I guess there's no worry about removing allowance gained from spawning monsters, or at least cutting off a large percentage of it.
It's the same people playing FFO, and we all basically know how the game works and how to get the good items, so killing spawns for our allowance should be no big deal.

Right?

Right.

Whoa whoa kid calm down.

1.) If your Relleth icons version comes out, there WILL be new players.
2.) I said killing spawns for allowance is good so what the **** are you talking about, the current system doesn't require it which is the issue.
3.) Ego stroke? It's FFO bro. It takes no real "skill" to play, just learn how the game works. Why you still suck after this long is still a mystery to me.

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Mobo wrote:

Whoa whoa kid calm down.

1.) If your Relleth icons version comes out, there WILL be new players.
2.) I said killing spawns for allowance is good so what the **** are you talking about, the current system doesn't require it which is the issue.
3.) Ego stroke? It's FFO bro. It takes no real "skill" to play, just learn how the game works. Why you still suck after this long is still a mystery to me.

Coming from the kid who's never played FFO without his posse.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Mobo wrote:

Whoa whoa kid calm down.

1.) If your Relleth icons version comes out, there WILL be new players.
2.) I said killing spawns for allowance is good so what the **** are you talking about, the current system doesn't require it which is the issue.
3.) Ego stroke? It's FFO bro. It takes no real "skill" to play, just learn how the game works. Why you still suck after this long is still a mystery to me.

Coming from the kid who's never played FFO without his posse.

Is that.. supposed to be an insult. Lmao.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Mobo wrote:

Whoa whoa kid calm down.

1.) If your Relleth icons version comes out, there WILL be new players.
2.) I said killing spawns for allowance is good so what the **** are you talking about, the current system doesn't require it which is the issue.
3.) Ego stroke? It's FFO bro. It takes no real "skill" to play, just learn how the game works. Why you still suck after this long is still a mystery to me.

Coming from the kid who's never played FFO without his posse.

I'm under the impression large stick is sai, in which case he did play without his posse during the level 20 wlc hosting, as he was chancellor of diadel with me

As for every other post since my last ill sum it up like this:

Wws are baus, nigh unkillable and very strong physical attack, I chose not to use bluntss because I didn't want to learn pound or concuss, but using a rapier I am doing around 90-100 damage without a strung pincer, so I can reliably slay most mobs in a few hits if light doesn't slay them

However a system that grants allowance on kills wouldn't be so good for ww partying, as I must baby the **** out of my party members because everyone just assumes they never have to pot when I'm around

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Rarity wrote:

Dr. Letha wrote:

Mobo wrote:

Whoa whoa kid calm down.

1.) If your Relleth icons version comes out, there WILL be new players.
2.) I said killing spawns for allowance is good so what the **** are you talking about, the current system doesn't require it which is the issue.
3.) Ego stroke? It's FFO bro. It takes no real "skill" to play, just learn how the game works. Why you still suck after this long is still a mystery to me.

Coming from the kid who's never played FFO without his posse.

I'm under the impression large stick is sai, in which case he did play without his posse during the level 20 wlc hosting, as he was chancellor of diadel with me

As for every other post since my last ill sum it up like this:

Wws are baus, nigh unkillable and very strong physical attack, I chose not to use bluntss because I didn't want to learn pound or concuss, but using a rapier I am doing around 90-100 damage without a strung pincer, so I can reliably slay most mobs in a few hits if light doesn't slay them

However a system that grants allowance on kills wouldn't be so good for ww partying, as I must baby the **** out of my party members because everyone just assumes they never have to pot when I'm around

I've only ever partied with people that suck as bad as whoever you're talking about on rare occasions. I know what you mean, where a lot of *****es like to be babysat but since I usually party with my people, who don't suck, I have this problem less than you. I would tell you that your best chance is to find better people to party but since the game is near-dead I guess you're ****ed, Po.

But to say something more important, it's true WW melee can be over-powered as ****. I mean, you have one of the best weapon types as your class specialty.. damn.

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Shane wrote:

someone else: bump this thread so I check it tomorrow morning when I wake up

Done and done.

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